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Looks like US only wants you to be able to get your NSA-backdoor approved devices.

Erlich_Bachman 7y ago
Well other international companies are not banned, and there is a lot of info indicating that China actually has spying hardware/software in many of their products and actively trying to insert them elsewhere, so it's probably more about that than about USA's spying. (Even though they do a lot of that too of course.)
- kmlx 7y ago
  i don't get this. so does the US. so we should start sending american nsa infected hardware back to them apparently.
  - pinkfoot 7y ago
    Yes, we should. But we won't.
- jeroenhd 7y ago
  I've never seen any proof of China actually using their exported devices for spying purposes. At most you can say their smart phones are leaking personal information back to China, but Google is no different. The Chinese do, however, excel at industrial espionage through many means. In fact, they're so good at it that I've rarely seen reports of industrial espionage where the allegations actually stick in court.
  - lixtra 7y ago
    Concerning counterfeit goods there’s an abundance of evidence.
  - deogeo 7y ago
    > I've never seen any proof of China actually using their exported devices for spying purposes. At most you can say their smart phones are leaking personal information back to China How are these different?
    - jeroenhd 7y ago
      In the same way that I don't see Microsoft and Google as American spying operations on the rest of the world. There's very little stopping the US government from forcing Google to give up my information "because of national security" but the Snowden leaks proved that the US government doesn't work that direct. Still, I don't see Android phones as international espionage devices. Perhaps your opinion may vary, but so far the most conclusive proof of spying is against the US and UK government, both of which are screaming at everyone that big evil China is trying to steal all of our secrets. Maybe it some kind of distraction manoeuvre ("we're spying but only because they're doing it!") but the anti Huawei hysteria is greatly exaggerated.
      - Erlich_Bachman 7y ago
        > screaming at everyone that big evil China is trying to steal all of our secrets It is well established that China, including huawei have been stealing a lot of intellectual property, many of their products (initially at least) are simply reverse-engineered copies of western products of other companies. Huawei specifically have been known to steal Cisco's software and hardware. This is not something that happens on a single occasion, this is a top-down controlled practice and culture, in Huawei and in China in general. In light of this, why wouldn't they be stealing secrets if they have the chance to? Why would we treat it differently compared to western spying? Numerous reasons, but just off the top of my head, because the west at least has patent laws and if Huawei was a US company, Cisco would take them to court and redeem their losses, and it would work. In China however, it does not work, because they don't enforce intellectual property laws on a government level. If the whole government is ok with their companies stealing secrets, why on earth would we think that many of their companies including Huawei are not still doing it?

Well other international companies are not banned, and there is a lot of info indicating that China actually has spying hardware/software in many of their products and actively trying to insert them elsewhere, so it's probably more about that than about USA's spying. (Even though they do a lot of that too of course.)

kmlx 7y ago
i don't get this. so does the US. so we should start sending american nsa infected hardware back to them apparently.
- pinkfoot 7y ago
  Yes, we should. But we won't.
jeroenhd 7y ago
I've never seen any proof of China actually using their exported devices for spying purposes. At most you can say their smart phones are leaking personal information back to China, but Google is no different. The Chinese do, however, excel at industrial espionage through many means. In fact, they're so good at it that I've rarely seen reports of industrial espionage where the allegations actually stick in court.
- lixtra 7y ago
  Concerning counterfeit goods there’s an abundance of evidence.
- deogeo 7y ago
  > I've never seen any proof of China actually using their exported devices for spying purposes. At most you can say their smart phones are leaking personal information back to China How are these different?
  - jeroenhd 7y ago
    In the same way that I don't see Microsoft and Google as American spying operations on the rest of the world. There's very little stopping the US government from forcing Google to give up my information "because of national security" but the Snowden leaks proved that the US government doesn't work that direct. Still, I don't see Android phones as international espionage devices. Perhaps your opinion may vary, but so far the most conclusive proof of spying is against the US and UK government, both of which are screaming at everyone that big evil China is trying to steal all of our secrets. Maybe it some kind of distraction manoeuvre ("we're spying but only because they're doing it!") but the anti Huawei hysteria is greatly exaggerated.
    - Erlich_Bachman 7y ago
      > screaming at everyone that big evil China is trying to steal all of our secrets It is well established that China, including huawei have been stealing a lot of intellectual property, many of their products (initially at least) are simply reverse-engineered copies of western products of other companies. Huawei specifically have been known to steal Cisco's software and hardware. This is not something that happens on a single occasion, this is a top-down controlled practice and culture, in Huawei and in China in general. In light of this, why wouldn't they be stealing secrets if they have the chance to? Why would we treat it differently compared to western spying? Numerous reasons, but just off the top of my head, because the west at least has patent laws and if Huawei was a US company, Cisco would take them to court and redeem their losses, and it would work. In China however, it does not work, because they don't enforce intellectual property laws on a government level. If the whole government is ok with their companies stealing secrets, why on earth would we think that many of their companies including Huawei are not still doing it?