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Intern is another term often used to prevent older, experienced workers from applying.
by dba7dba 7y ago
Intern is another term often used to prevent older, experienced workers from applying.
- jpindar 7y agoI swear, some companies go straight from intern to senior team lead.
- dang 7y agoThat's not always as absurd as it sounds. Particularly talented people can do it. The case of Seymour Cray, admittedly an outlier on the talent side, comes to mind. He was basically a senior team lead from the moment he got his first job, and that was in 1951. I got that from this wonderful book, btw: https://www.amazon.com/Supermen-Seymour-Technical-Wizards-Supercomputer/dp/0471048852/ https://www.amazon.com/Supermen-Seymour-Technical-Wizards-Su...
- sverhagen 7y agoYou giving an example all the way back to 1951 makes it sound like it is indeed almost always as absurd as it sounds...
- o-__-o 7y agoMy first job I accepted was a help desk tech. In 8 weeks I was a sr engineer. Why? I was the only person who stood up and suggested a way to test and isolate a problem that was happening on a few Sun servers. Mind you I had zero exp with sun at this point, but I showed initiative. This was circa 2000
- dang 7y agoI didn't mention Cray because there aren't others! He's just endlessly fascinating. I mentioned 1951 because organizations were so much less flexible back then, making the example more compelling. I was going to say that, but then I remembered that in the book it talks about how the engineers at that company would bring their dogs to work, so it was obviously atypical.
- xiphias2 7y agoAt Google Zurich intern mostly means female engineer under 23. Step intern means female engineer under 20 who had been 1 year in university. I haven't seen any male step intern.
- jxub 7y agoWell, that explains my rejection at least in part.
- chaosite 7y agoSTEP intern does explicitly mean female engineer under 20 with ~1 year of university. STEP is a diversity program and Google is quite explicit about its goals. Also I don't like it as an internship program. Interns generally do useful work, their internship project is something that the hosting team needs. STEP interns generally don't, their project is educational (that is, won't be used), and the internship involves a lot more lectures (as in, sitting in a conference room and listening to somebody). It's good for some people I guess but if you wanted to "work at Google", STEP isn't it. It is a foot in the door towards getting in as a regular intern next year, though, so if you're OK with wasting a summer then it's a good option. Oh, one more thing -- interns are currently enrolled in a university (which explains the ages).