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Worse yet, at our kroger (0), in many higher margin aisles are cameras and lcd screens hanging from the ceilings. They turn on to show the customer that they se

Worse yet, at our kroger (0), in many higher margin aisles are cameras and lcd screens hanging from the ceilings. They turn on to show the customer that they see us. You could possibly cover your face, but I'm pretty sure store personnel would ask you to leave. My much more sardonic and dark view are that these cameras and the associated "kroger loyalty card" are going to an internal database to show how we travel through the store, what we look at, and how long. Of course, theft is an incidental plus to stop. We already know for quite some time that Target (1) uses your credit card as the user hash, much like a loyalty card. There's no opting out of this one. (0) https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kroger/@39.1636963,-86.5898157,15.75z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x886c6761e3bba689:0x5a9fe2f9421688b4!8m2!3d39.1626063!4d-86.5805966 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kroger/@39.1636963,-86.589... (1) https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/#62a21d806668 https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-targ...

Stratoscope 7y ago
> You could possibly cover your face, but I'm pretty sure store personnel would ask you to leave. Now that sounds like fun. Is there a store like this on the San Francisco Peninsula so I can try it and see what happens?
- crankylinuxuser 7y ago
  Uhh, I have no clue. But I would assume that every major store that has cameras (all!) probably feed their video output to a ML classifier for facial recog and dwell times/locations in aisles. And if I were constructing such a system (I'M NOT!), I'd also tie it to the cash registers for complete path history and item purchase history, whether you use a 'shopper card' or not. The only way I think you would have legal standing with a full shorud over your face is if you're a female Muslim adherent. In that case, I think you'd be defended by the 1st amendment protections. Then again, that also sounds like a 2-5 year legal battle assuming SCOTUS would even get involved. But you being in SF, the 9th circuit would likely go in favor of 1st amendment. Long story short, our freedoms and relative anonymity are probably completely fucked. And those that demand privacy/anonymity are few and far enough between that we would be easily profiled in other ways.
Zak 7y ago
> Target (1) uses your credit card as the user hash, much like a loyalty card. There's no opting out of this one. Does Target still accept cash? Another one I've heard of is stores using wifi and bluetooth to track shoppers by their smartphones. This is possible even with bluetooth turned off in some cases. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/14/opinion/bluetooth-wireless-tracking-privacy.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/14/opinion/bluet...

Stratoscope 7y ago

> You could possibly cover your face, but I'm pretty sure store personnel would ask you to leave. Now that sounds like fun. Is there a store like this on the San Francisco Peninsula so I can try it and see what happens?

crankylinuxuser 7y ago
Uhh, I have no clue. But I would assume that every major store that has cameras (all!) probably feed their video output to a ML classifier for facial recog and dwell times/locations in aisles. And if I were constructing such a system (I'M NOT!), I'd also tie it to the cash registers for complete path history and item purchase history, whether you use a 'shopper card' or not. The only way I think you would have legal standing with a full shorud over your face is if you're a female Muslim adherent. In that case, I think you'd be defended by the 1st amendment protections. Then again, that also sounds like a 2-5 year legal battle assuming SCOTUS would even get involved. But you being in SF, the 9th circuit would likely go in favor of 1st amendment. Long story short, our freedoms and relative anonymity are probably completely fucked. And those that demand privacy/anonymity are few and far enough between that we would be easily profiled in other ways.

Zak 7y ago

> Target (1) uses your credit card as the user hash, much like a loyalty card. There's no opting out of this one. Does Target still accept cash? Another one I've heard of is stores using wifi and bluetooth to track shoppers by their smartphones. This is possible even with bluetooth turned off in some cases. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/14/opinion/bluetooth-wireless-tracking-privacy.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/14/opinion/bluet...