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The only thing developers seem to hate more than closed source software is a funded open source project.

hutzlibu 7y ago
Not in general, but many open source developers do hard work and do sometimes not even get praise, so they don't like it when someone who they feel did not work so hard or not at all and just promised unrealistic things, get's the money. (not judging about that case here)
- staticassertion 7y ago
  This sounds to me like that same attitude that keeps people from saying how much they make; that your coworker will get mad at you, and not your boss.
  - hutzlibu 7y ago
    A bit, yes. Except in cases where people make money from a limited avaiable fund, by lying.
    - staticassertion 7y ago
      "limited available fund" ah yes, the software industry really does barely manage to scrape by, good point.
      - lifthrasiir 7y ago
        Funding programming language development via Patreon is relatively new that it might be a reasonable characterization. I do think that many PL projects are underfunded and should have better BMs to sustain itself, and one positive aspect of V is that it showed you can actually have a good chance of sustainable cash inflow with proper marketing (more generally, [1] is a good start). [1] https://www.kalzumeus.com/2014/04/09/what-heartbleed-can-teach-the-oss-community-about-marketing/ https://www.kalzumeus.com/2014/04/09/what-heartbleed-can-tea...
    - ScottFree 7y ago
      He hasn't lied about anything. If you do a search in these comments for people who have actually given him money, I think you'll find that none of us have done so under the pretense that all the features he listed on the website are finished. We're also not "buying" anything. We're supporting a developer who is writing a language we would like to one day use. How else is it going to get written? Do we expect somebody to toil away in obscurity for no pay for 5+ years first? I would consider it money well spent even if he never finishes it. I'm voting for the language I want with my wallet. Yes, this opens me up to making me feel like a sucker if he is a scam artist. But, he's delivered things in the past and he's delivered things even since the last conversation. Most frauds don't ship.
      - esimov 7y ago
        It's not about founding or donation, it's all about false promises. How you can give false assumptions about something which does not exists and it's not provable. I'm thinking here about all the optimistic features the author is acclaiming. As some of the commenters mentioned practically is impossible to build a product (a new programming language) in solo and having only a couple of thousands of LOC.
        ScottFree 7y ago
        You need to stop. There are no false promises or false assumptions going on here. If there were, then the negative coverage over the past three days would include outrage from his patreon subscribers and his patreon donations would have gone down considerably. Neither of these things have happened.
      - hutzlibu 7y ago
        I said very clearly, I am not judging about this case as I did not follow it enough. From what I saw I also do not think so.
        ScottFree 7y ago
        You clearly implied the author of this project is a liar and now you're trying to walk it back without admitting fault. Why is it so many people online can't admit when they're wrong? "I'm sorry. I was wrong." Is that really so hard to type?
agumonkey 7y ago
Not to pick on the guy, but when you're asking for funds before releasing source: is it "funded open source" ? Surely people would have been a bit pissed if a strange project got backers, but the problem here was snake oil PR. "It's amazing, better than anything else, just give me a bit of money and I'll give it to you when it's finished"

Not in general, but many open source developers do hard work and do sometimes not even get praise, so they don't like it when someone who they feel did not work so hard or not at all and just promised unrealistic things, get's the money. (not judging about that case here)

staticassertion 7y ago
This sounds to me like that same attitude that keeps people from saying how much they make; that your coworker will get mad at you, and not your boss.
- hutzlibu 7y ago
  A bit, yes. Except in cases where people make money from a limited avaiable fund, by lying.
  - staticassertion 7y ago
    "limited available fund" ah yes, the software industry really does barely manage to scrape by, good point.
    - lifthrasiir 7y ago
      Funding programming language development via Patreon is relatively new that it might be a reasonable characterization. I do think that many PL projects are underfunded and should have better BMs to sustain itself, and one positive aspect of V is that it showed you can actually have a good chance of sustainable cash inflow with proper marketing (more generally, [1] is a good start). [1] https://www.kalzumeus.com/2014/04/09/what-heartbleed-can-teach-the-oss-community-about-marketing/ https://www.kalzumeus.com/2014/04/09/what-heartbleed-can-tea...
  - ScottFree 7y ago
    He hasn't lied about anything. If you do a search in these comments for people who have actually given him money, I think you'll find that none of us have done so under the pretense that all the features he listed on the website are finished. We're also not "buying" anything. We're supporting a developer who is writing a language we would like to one day use. How else is it going to get written? Do we expect somebody to toil away in obscurity for no pay for 5+ years first? I would consider it money well spent even if he never finishes it. I'm voting for the language I want with my wallet. Yes, this opens me up to making me feel like a sucker if he is a scam artist. But, he's delivered things in the past and he's delivered things even since the last conversation. Most frauds don't ship.
    - esimov 7y ago
      It's not about founding or donation, it's all about false promises. How you can give false assumptions about something which does not exists and it's not provable. I'm thinking here about all the optimistic features the author is acclaiming. As some of the commenters mentioned practically is impossible to build a product (a new programming language) in solo and having only a couple of thousands of LOC.
      - ScottFree 7y ago
        You need to stop. There are no false promises or false assumptions going on here. If there were, then the negative coverage over the past three days would include outrage from his patreon subscribers and his patreon donations would have gone down considerably. Neither of these things have happened.
    - hutzlibu 7y ago
      I said very clearly, I am not judging about this case as I did not follow it enough. From what I saw I also do not think so.
      - ScottFree 7y ago
        You clearly implied the author of this project is a liar and now you're trying to walk it back without admitting fault. Why is it so many people online can't admit when they're wrong? "I'm sorry. I was wrong." Is that really so hard to type?

agumonkey 7y ago

Not to pick on the guy, but when you're asking for funds before releasing source: is it "funded open source" ? Surely people would have been a bit pissed if a strange project got backers, but the problem here was snake oil PR. "It's amazing, better than anything else, just give me a bit of money and I'll give it to you when it's finished"