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no. You don't get it. You literally have no rights with these unconstitutional cops. Wait until you personally experience this sort of thing, as you seem to thi

by _iiu1 7y ago

no. You don't get it. You literally have no rights with these unconstitutional cops. Wait until you personally experience this sort of thing, as you seem to think that the author "deserved" it. The more I think about it, the more disgusted I am by your comment. I find it highly deliberately ignorant, as if you are directly ignoring the entire point of this story. If a US citizen is not allowed into the USA, where could they possibly be deported to LOL? Constitutional rights? All this from an agency that sounds like something from the 3rd Reich, and created under Bush Jr. Highly unconstitutional, and vested with impunity. Wrongful

zepto 7y ago
It’s not a question or whether they deserved it or not. When dealing with people, things generally go better if one does so respectfully, regardless of what kind of power they have or whether it is legitimate or not. The converse - that it should be fine to be disrespectful to people who hold state backed power makes no sense that I can see - that seems to be a dehumanizing act with no apparent benefit.
- nugget 7y ago
  Whatever a Government official can do to you in response to real or perceived disrespect, they can also do to you just because they don't like the way you look or dress or vote. Various forms of Constitutionally protected protest and dissent can often be perceived as disrespect by those against whom they are directed. It's a slippery slope and to me "be respectful or have your rights violated" is a poor standard.
  - zepto 7y ago
    Agreed, and everyone has the right to conduct protest or civil disobedience. If one chooses to engage in activism, then it’s worth recognizing that this is what you are doing and that they will be likely consequences. It seems, before engaging in a protest, to be a good idea to think about whether it’s likely to be effective or not. For example, before deliberately being disrespectful to an individual government employee, why not consider whether it would be better to be cooperative in that moment and then make a donation to a group that supports political change in that particular area?
  - ncmncm 7y ago
    The only defensible standard is that abusing State authority for personal or political reasons is grounds for immediate termination, AND should be prosecuted as a criminal matter as a matter of course. That it isn't, whether at the border or at a traffic stop, is a national disgrace. They are employed by the public to enforce rules for public reasons. Saying that such prosecution would clog up the courts with a million cases is to admit the problem.
- jessedhillon 7y ago
  If you hold such power, you have a responsibility to exercise it in a way that furthers the objectives of those who entrust you with it. Retaliating against people who hurt your feelings is not consistent with that responsibility.
- balfirevic 7y ago
  > The converse - that it should be fine to be disrespectful to people who hold state backed power makes no sense that I can see - that seems to be a dehumanizing act with no apparent benefit. Quite the opposite - I think they should be subject to regular testing where some kind of internal control officers behave flippantly towards them (perhaps even disrespectfully) and if they respond by abusing their power they are (at the very least) immediately relieved of their state backed powers.
  - zepto 7y ago
    I fully support this suggestion. It would be great to have a law mandating this kind of training. Randomly disrespecting government officials seems to play no part in bringing this about.
creaghpatr 7y ago
If you think about it, those are all great reasons not to mouth off to a cop.
malvosenior 7y ago
This type of thing happens all of the time, and not just with border police. Ever been to the DMV? Even the slightest hint of "sass" will earn you a few extra hours of waiting and counter hopping. Bureaucrats are A: given a lot of power in arbitrary situation B: deal with an unruly public every day and are tired of it. Fair or not, it's best to be ultra polite with any public facing government offical. And yes I realize this is also about Homeland Security having overreach but this guy did himself no favors and would have suffered in many other situations acting the same way.
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by _iiu1 7y ago

zepto 7y ago

It’s not a question or whether they deserved it or not. When dealing with people, things generally go better if one does so respectfully, regardless of what kind of power they have or whether it is legitimate or not. The converse - that it should be fine to be disrespectful to people who hold state backed power makes no sense that I can see - that seems to be a dehumanizing act with no apparent benefit.

nugget 7y ago
Whatever a Government official can do to you in response to real or perceived disrespect, they can also do to you just because they don't like the way you look or dress or vote. Various forms of Constitutionally protected protest and dissent can often be perceived as disrespect by those against whom they are directed. It's a slippery slope and to me "be respectful or have your rights violated" is a poor standard.
- zepto 7y ago
  Agreed, and everyone has the right to conduct protest or civil disobedience. If one chooses to engage in activism, then it’s worth recognizing that this is what you are doing and that they will be likely consequences. It seems, before engaging in a protest, to be a good idea to think about whether it’s likely to be effective or not. For example, before deliberately being disrespectful to an individual government employee, why not consider whether it would be better to be cooperative in that moment and then make a donation to a group that supports political change in that particular area?
- ncmncm 7y ago
  The only defensible standard is that abusing State authority for personal or political reasons is grounds for immediate termination, AND should be prosecuted as a criminal matter as a matter of course. That it isn't, whether at the border or at a traffic stop, is a national disgrace. They are employed by the public to enforce rules for public reasons. Saying that such prosecution would clog up the courts with a million cases is to admit the problem.
jessedhillon 7y ago
If you hold such power, you have a responsibility to exercise it in a way that furthers the objectives of those who entrust you with it. Retaliating against people who hurt your feelings is not consistent with that responsibility.
balfirevic 7y ago
> The converse - that it should be fine to be disrespectful to people who hold state backed power makes no sense that I can see - that seems to be a dehumanizing act with no apparent benefit. Quite the opposite - I think they should be subject to regular testing where some kind of internal control officers behave flippantly towards them (perhaps even disrespectfully) and if they respond by abusing their power they are (at the very least) immediately relieved of their state backed powers.
- zepto 7y ago
  I fully support this suggestion. It would be great to have a law mandating this kind of training. Randomly disrespecting government officials seems to play no part in bringing this about.

creaghpatr 7y ago

If you think about it, those are all great reasons not to mouth off to a cop.

malvosenior 7y ago

This type of thing happens all of the time, and not just with border police. Ever been to the DMV? Even the slightest hint of "sass" will earn you a few extra hours of waiting and counter hopping. Bureaucrats are A: given a lot of power in arbitrary situation B: deal with an unruly public every day and are tired of it. Fair or not, it's best to be ultra polite with any public facing government offical. And yes I realize this is also about Homeland Security having overreach but this guy did himself no favors and would have suffered in many other situations acting the same way.

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