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While stopping short of concluding that the killing and forced organ removal of these peoples constitutes genocide in its legal definition (due to a lac

While stopping short of concluding that the killing and forced organ removal of these peoples constitutes genocide in its legal definition (due to a lack of proof of actual intent to commit genocide), the panel nonetheless condemned the forced organ removals as a crime against humanity and an act of "unmatched wickedness". This article made me shiver. How did China get away with this for so long?

lotsofpulp 7y ago
>How did China get away with this for so long? Because no other nation(s) is willing and able to engage in military conflict with China to stop it.
- FartyMcFarter 7y ago
  Other nations could do less drastic things though. Sanctions would be an example.
  - lotsofpulp 7y ago
    But they’re not willing to give up access to cheap labor and environmental standards for their manufacturing and waste removal desires.
    - derefr 7y ago
      A strange thought: maybe the somewhat-global trend among Western powers toward political parties attempting to foment a climate of populist nationalism, is really an attempt to make people more willing to sacrifice profit margins to move manufacturing “back home”, such that China can actually be faced on level ground. I feel like our politicians have maybe decided that voters are too smart for a sudden switch to “China bad, Chinese people bad, hate them, cut ties with them” rhetoric (as has usually historically happened in the run-up to a declaration of war), so instead they’ve just dropped the specific context of who is supposed to be bad, and are kind of vague-polemic-ing about all foreigners instead, in the hopes that that’ll stir up at least some of the same effects that historical politicians were taking advantage of.
devoply 7y ago
Usually human rights is used as a tool for prevailing economic and foreign policy goals. The fact that we're now concerned with all these various human rights issues as well as spying, etc, is about the politics of our times than it is about human rights. But hey I will take it whichever way I can get it. So yeah please stop human rights abuses. Thanks.
marcinzm 7y ago
>How did China get away with this for so long? In short, money. Voters and corporations tend to get upset when their supply of cheap material goods (and landfills) is cut off.
simion314 7y ago
>How did China get away with this for so long? You can't touch big countries, US, China, Russia can do whatever they want, who will dare to start something? You can get away with shit as a small country to as long as a big country has no economic or military interest in your area, we all notice that all recent wars are fought in areas of strategic importance even if genocides happen in other areas too.
layoutIfNeeded 7y ago
They make stuff cheaply.
luckylion 7y ago
> How did China get away with this for so long? There's a busy "organ transplant tourism" going on, from Japan, Korea and Western countries to China. You can be certain that's it's not the poor, powerless from these countries that profit from the murder-for-organ-harvesting schemes the Chinese run in their prisons.
Spooky23 7y ago
The fig leaf that we used to justify dismantling the American economy to make short term profit and bolster China was that Communism was the problem, and making money was the pixie dust that would fix everything.
carapace 7y ago
> How did China get away with this for so long? Skepticism and complacency. Also, they're still getting away with it. This was formally condemned by Congress three years ago. Falun Gong do demonstrations at the Whole Foods store down the street. Most people aren't monsters. (I would imagine that even most of the organ recipients don't connect the dots and don't know where their new organ came from. The medical staff that know what they're doing are another story, it's dismal that so many psychotic monsters could be found or made.) Something as horrifying as this causes cognitive dissonance and, in order to return to a lower energy state, the mind rejects it. At least until there is enough incontrovertible proof. It also doesn't help that any sane and healthy response to this maddening, sickening, horrifying crime must be massive, total, and sustained. Massive because the evil is massive; total because there can be no compromise with this evil; and sustained because the temptation will remain until we have solved human tissue regeneration. If you're a US citizen and you care about this please contact your representatives and let them know. Don't be shy about bringing this up. > The United States House of Representatives unanimously passed an unprecedented resolution Monday [3 years ago], condemning forced organ removal from Falun Gong practitioners and other prisoners of conscience in China. House Resolution 343 (full text) was co-sponsored by 185 Democrat and Republican members. Among other actions, it demands that the Chinese government immediately end the practice of forced organ removal and stop the persecution of Falun Gong, and calls on the U.S. State Department to provide more detailed analysis of the topic in its annual human rights report. https://faluninfo.net/u-s-congress-condemns-forced-organ-harvesting-from-falun-gong-in-china/ https://faluninfo.net/u-s-congress-condemns-forced-organ-har... It's going to be hellish getting them to stop formally, let alone the black market. Niven called it: > Organlegging is the name of a fictional crime in the Known Space universe created by Larry Niven. It is the illicit trade of black market human organs for transplant. The term organlegging is a portmanteau combining the words "organ" and "bootlegging", literally the piracy[1][2] and smuggling of organs.[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organlegging https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organlegging

lotsofpulp 7y ago

>How did China get away with this for so long? Because no other nation(s) is willing and able to engage in military conflict with China to stop it.

FartyMcFarter 7y ago
Other nations could do less drastic things though. Sanctions would be an example.
- lotsofpulp 7y ago
  But they’re not willing to give up access to cheap labor and environmental standards for their manufacturing and waste removal desires.
  - derefr 7y ago
    A strange thought: maybe the somewhat-global trend among Western powers toward political parties attempting to foment a climate of populist nationalism, is really an attempt to make people more willing to sacrifice profit margins to move manufacturing “back home”, such that China can actually be faced on level ground. I feel like our politicians have maybe decided that voters are too smart for a sudden switch to “China bad, Chinese people bad, hate them, cut ties with them” rhetoric (as has usually historically happened in the run-up to a declaration of war), so instead they’ve just dropped the specific context of who is supposed to be bad, and are kind of vague-polemic-ing about all foreigners instead, in the hopes that that’ll stir up at least some of the same effects that historical politicians were taking advantage of.

devoply 7y ago

Usually human rights is used as a tool for prevailing economic and foreign policy goals. The fact that we're now concerned with all these various human rights issues as well as spying, etc, is about the politics of our times than it is about human rights. But hey I will take it whichever way I can get it. So yeah please stop human rights abuses. Thanks.

marcinzm 7y ago

>How did China get away with this for so long? In short, money. Voters and corporations tend to get upset when their supply of cheap material goods (and landfills) is cut off.

simion314 7y ago

>How did China get away with this for so long? You can't touch big countries, US, China, Russia can do whatever they want, who will dare to start something? You can get away with shit as a small country to as long as a big country has no economic or military interest in your area, we all notice that all recent wars are fought in areas of strategic importance even if genocides happen in other areas too.

layoutIfNeeded 7y ago

They make stuff cheaply.

luckylion 7y ago

> How did China get away with this for so long? There's a busy "organ transplant tourism" going on, from Japan, Korea and Western countries to China. You can be certain that's it's not the poor, powerless from these countries that profit from the murder-for-organ-harvesting schemes the Chinese run in their prisons.

Spooky23 7y ago

The fig leaf that we used to justify dismantling the American economy to make short term profit and bolster China was that Communism was the problem, and making money was the pixie dust that would fix everything.

carapace 7y ago

> How did China get away with this for so long? Skepticism and complacency. Also, they're still getting away with it. This was formally condemned by Congress three years ago. Falun Gong do demonstrations at the Whole Foods store down the street. Most people aren't monsters. (I would imagine that even most of the organ recipients don't connect the dots and don't know where their new organ came from. The medical staff that know what they're doing are another story, it's dismal that so many psychotic monsters could be found or made.) Something as horrifying as this causes cognitive dissonance and, in order to return to a lower energy state, the mind rejects it. At least until there is enough incontrovertible proof. It also doesn't help that any sane and healthy response to this maddening, sickening, horrifying crime must be massive, total, and sustained. Massive because the evil is massive; total because there can be no compromise with this evil; and sustained because the temptation will remain until we have solved human tissue regeneration. If you're a US citizen and you care about this please contact your representatives and let them know. Don't be shy about bringing this up. > The United States House of Representatives unanimously passed an unprecedented resolution Monday [3 years ago], condemning forced organ removal from Falun Gong practitioners and other prisoners of conscience in China. House Resolution 343 (full text) was co-sponsored by 185 Democrat and Republican members. Among other actions, it demands that the Chinese government immediately end the practice of forced organ removal and stop the persecution of Falun Gong, and calls on the U.S. State Department to provide more detailed analysis of the topic in its annual human rights report. https://faluninfo.net/u-s-congress-condemns-forced-organ-harvesting-from-falun-gong-in-china/ https://faluninfo.net/u-s-congress-condemns-forced-organ-har... It's going to be hellish getting them to stop formally, let alone the black market. Niven called it: > Organlegging is the name of a fictional crime in the Known Space universe created by Larry Niven. It is the illicit trade of black market human organs for transplant. The term organlegging is a portmanteau combining the words "organ" and "bootlegging", literally the piracy[1][2] and smuggling of organs.[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organlegging https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organlegging