4 ms·

While I agree with you on 1 and 2, I respectfully disagree on 3. The are many very efficient government programs that function as well as could be expected for

While I agree with you on 1 and 2, I respectfully disagree on 3. The are many very efficient government programs that function as well as could be expected for such a large system. Voting in the United States, while not always perfect runs mostly clean and efficient. Government run healthcare programs across the world seen to function fairly well. It's not government that's the issue. It goes back to your initial points. Once you have a power imbalance created by either one or a small group owning most of the debt (money) in society, the power imbalance causes corruption. The solution is relatively simple but unpalatable. Once a group reaches a certain percentage, not a specific number, of debt above the median they get taxed more heavily with that money going either directly to the bottom or to programs that benefit all. The percentages are relatively easy too, break the groups into quartiles. The top quartile should not have more money than the next lowest quartile. If more people become wealthier the taxation automatically becomes higher to spread the wealth. To keep individuals from gaining all the power you adjust the number of people based on a bell curve. Those in the top quartile should be very rare, the and as those in the bottom. That's the entirety of the taxation system. It's based on owned debt. It doesn't matter what you spend your money on, or anything like that. Money gets efficiently spread to the middle class and on keeping the lowest portions of society from abject poverty. What the wealthy do with their money at that point doesn't matter because there's a built in check in the system. Punishment for hiding money would be brutal, if the wealthy want to leave, there's the door.

VvR-Ox 7y ago
Ok, so the solution would be to decentralize and distribute solutions to autonomous entities to reduce the size of the system that is directly involved (big system is still the source of money and strategic planning, like in most companies). I think that could work because we know effects like this on groups of people - you can work with 7 but don't try to work with 20 all together. Nice idea to take the debt away again but that can't work in a world where these entities afterwards take refuge in another country that doesn't tax them (so much). EU has some good examples for this: Luxemburg, Netherlands and Ireland. A lot of tax money is taken away in the EU by companies like Apple, Ikea, Starbucks and the likes because they have mastered the skill of using legislative loopholes to maximize their profit and screw the people of the world by taking that money away from the public. That would be the doors you are talking about and the problem is that the nations just don't get together to solve this issue so the wealthy can do whatever they want - they aren't bound by national laws etc. I would like to add one thing to this idea: * Raising the wealth of all people on the globe to the minimum level required to have a "good life" (no starvation, education, lower fertility rate). I think this would solve a lot of problems at once.
- cannonedhamster 7y ago
  I don't think any of your response is invalid. The debt situation could, but hasn't been a problem in the past, however this is a bit more drastic than what's been suggested in the past. I like that we both see that a solution is indeed possible though.

VvR-Ox 7y ago

Ok, so the solution would be to decentralize and distribute solutions to autonomous entities to reduce the size of the system that is directly involved (big system is still the source of money and strategic planning, like in most companies). I think that could work because we know effects like this on groups of people - you can work with 7 but don't try to work with 20 all together. Nice idea to take the debt away again but that can't work in a world where these entities afterwards take refuge in another country that doesn't tax them (so much). EU has some good examples for this: Luxemburg, Netherlands and Ireland. A lot of tax money is taken away in the EU by companies like Apple, Ikea, Starbucks and the likes because they have mastered the skill of using legislative loopholes to maximize their profit and screw the people of the world by taking that money away from the public. That would be the doors you are talking about and the problem is that the nations just don't get together to solve this issue so the wealthy can do whatever they want - they aren't bound by national laws etc. I would like to add one thing to this idea: * Raising the wealth of all people on the globe to the minimum level required to have a "good life" (no starvation, education, lower fertility rate). I think this would solve a lot of problems at once.

cannonedhamster 7y ago
I don't think any of your response is invalid. The debt situation could, but hasn't been a problem in the past, however this is a bit more drastic than what's been suggested in the past. I like that we both see that a solution is indeed possible though.