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Land taxes will curb the billionaires, make the land have a carrying cost

nsnick 7y ago
That is the problem. Land owners don't pay property tax on land that they have placed a conservation easement on. https://www.landtrustalliance.org/topics/taxes/income-tax-incentives-land-conservation https://www.landtrustalliance.org/topics/taxes/income-tax-in...
- codingdave 7y ago
  I'm OK with this - I would rather financially incentivize them to conserve their lands, instead of making them feel they need to monetize it to cover a tax bill.
  - badfrog 7y ago
    I'd like it better if they were required to allow public access. The public is paying for this land in lost taxes, we should be able to use it.
    - oogali 7y ago
      I agree, however I think a balance needs to be struck between liability and groundskeeping, as those are currently the costs that all municipalities cover for their public parks. Something along the lines of retaining some or most of the tax benefits for the private owner, in exchange for the municipality covering grounds maintenance, and a split between both parties for the liability insurance. I think that’d be the start of the US developing its own “Freedom to Roam” implementation.
      - track_me_now 7y ago
        where do you live in the world? I ask because for the American/Canadian west the idea of "grounds maintenance" sounds pretty funny. These areas aren't uninhabited, but can be quite remote and raw.We're talking dirt track into the wilderness
  - maxxxxx 7y ago
    So you end up with most of the land being a private park for the rich inaccessible for the rest.
  - deleted 7y ago
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  - snidane 7y ago
    Think about what it means 'their land'. The people have agreed that they will protect his exclusive right to use that land. They gave him a set of rights associated with it. There are other people these days for which there was no land left - thus making a price congestion for the existing land. Shouldn't the current owner pay the tax as means of 1) congestion pricing and 2) service fee for others guaranteeing his rights? It feels to me like a fair tax as you pay for what you use.
nabla9 7y ago
Additionally everyone should have the right to roam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam
- bilbo0s 7y ago
  Can't have that though, people could end up in very dangerous places. I'll just say that the government probably has secrets. Hiding spots. Research projects. Etc etc. If you think governments aren't using the property of élites to squirrel things like that away you're being a bit naive. The last thing we'd want is some kid stumbling over some irradiated or bio-infested wasteland that happens to look really cool. Or maybe just seeing something they shouldn't? Biltmore seems enormous, and far more than any family needed for a living space. But now we're starting to hear about things the government has done there over the years, and you get the sense that we've likely not heard about it all. And that's just stuff from the Gilded Age. Technology has advanced considerably. If we are dead set on having a right to roam, then at the very least, you can't be able to sue the government or any landowner for any negative impact that you may incur by roaming. Like coming home and infecting your family or your school or whatever. A landowner should be able to post a sign that says, "danger: stay out" or something, and then you choose whether to stay out. But the consequences of the choice have to be on you. (But only for government type stuff. I don't believe a landowner should be able to lay booby traps for instance. But if the government has something going there, like at Biltmore? Well, they said "stay out", and you didn't. So that should be on you.)
- aurizon 7y ago
  Yes, I agree, the tax deduction is the fee that grants public access..

That is the problem. Land owners don't pay property tax on land that they have placed a conservation easement on. https://www.landtrustalliance.org/topics/taxes/income-tax-incentives-land-conservation https://www.landtrustalliance.org/topics/taxes/income-tax-in...

codingdave 7y ago
I'm OK with this - I would rather financially incentivize them to conserve their lands, instead of making them feel they need to monetize it to cover a tax bill.
- badfrog 7y ago
  I'd like it better if they were required to allow public access. The public is paying for this land in lost taxes, we should be able to use it.
  - oogali 7y ago
    I agree, however I think a balance needs to be struck between liability and groundskeeping, as those are currently the costs that all municipalities cover for their public parks. Something along the lines of retaining some or most of the tax benefits for the private owner, in exchange for the municipality covering grounds maintenance, and a split between both parties for the liability insurance. I think that’d be the start of the US developing its own “Freedom to Roam” implementation.
    - track_me_now 7y ago
      where do you live in the world? I ask because for the American/Canadian west the idea of "grounds maintenance" sounds pretty funny. These areas aren't uninhabited, but can be quite remote and raw.We're talking dirt track into the wilderness
- maxxxxx 7y ago
  So you end up with most of the land being a private park for the rich inaccessible for the rest.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
- snidane 7y ago
  Think about what it means 'their land'. The people have agreed that they will protect his exclusive right to use that land. They gave him a set of rights associated with it. There are other people these days for which there was no land left - thus making a price congestion for the existing land. Shouldn't the current owner pay the tax as means of 1) congestion pricing and 2) service fee for others guaranteeing his rights? It feels to me like a fair tax as you pay for what you use.

nabla9 7y ago

Additionally everyone should have the right to roam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam

bilbo0s 7y ago
Can't have that though, people could end up in very dangerous places. I'll just say that the government probably has secrets. Hiding spots. Research projects. Etc etc. If you think governments aren't using the property of élites to squirrel things like that away you're being a bit naive. The last thing we'd want is some kid stumbling over some irradiated or bio-infested wasteland that happens to look really cool. Or maybe just seeing something they shouldn't? Biltmore seems enormous, and far more than any family needed for a living space. But now we're starting to hear about things the government has done there over the years, and you get the sense that we've likely not heard about it all. And that's just stuff from the Gilded Age. Technology has advanced considerably. If we are dead set on having a right to roam, then at the very least, you can't be able to sue the government or any landowner for any negative impact that you may incur by roaming. Like coming home and infecting your family or your school or whatever. A landowner should be able to post a sign that says, "danger: stay out" or something, and then you choose whether to stay out. But the consequences of the choice have to be on you. (But only for government type stuff. I don't believe a landowner should be able to lay booby traps for instance. But if the government has something going there, like at Biltmore? Well, they said "stay out", and you didn't. So that should be on you.)
aurizon 7y ago
Yes, I agree, the tax deduction is the fee that grants public access..