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They are stuck with intel because of thunderbolt.

leemailll 7y ago
actually Asrock release X570 for ryzen2 with PCIE4 and thunderbolt 3 (https://www.anandtech.com/show/14455/asrock-x570-aqua-heaviest-flagship-motherboard-ever-with-thunderbolt https://www.anandtech.com/show/14455/asrock-x570-aqua-heavie...).
- ulzeraj 7y ago
  Now that’s some great news. I want an AMD Apple system now.
  - leemailll 7y ago
    The downside is the motherboard is pretty expensive. And I don’t think many people would buy a motherboard more expensive than the cpu on board. ASRock might offer a few more X570 mb with tb3, but I haven’t checked
    - jsty 7y ago
      If it's baked into an iMac / Mac Pro, what proportion of the potential market are actually going to delve that deeply into the components? I'd wager probably single digit %.
- mchristen 7y ago
  It seems they are also coming out with a Thin-ITX form factor motherboard, which up until now has been limited to Intel platforms.
agloeregrets 7y ago
Thunderbolt is an open protocol now. They are not stuck.
- ksec 7y ago
  Is that true though? As far as I know the Spec has been donated to USB and will be included / published as USB4 by the end of this year. So until USB4 is out, it is not Open "yet". And even if USB4 is out, there is no guarantee USB won't mess up with only USB4 4x4 that support Thunderbolt 3 40Gbps.
  - mikhailt 7y ago
    That's my understanding as well, we only have Intel's word at this moment that TB would be open but it's USB4 that'll have the open "TB features" and they will co-exist; not USB4 replacing TB at all. Here's the Verge article[1] that also speaks to this: > Although USB 4 will integrate Thunderbolt 3’s features, Intel says that the two standards will coexist. While USB 4 is open, Thunderbolt 3 is not, and Intel requires manufacturers to be certified to use it. It also offers these manufacturers more support with reference designs and technical support. USB 4 might have the same specs, but Intel provides other Thunderbolt 3 services that go beyond the hardware itself. [1]: https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/24/15685096/intel-thunderbolt-3-royalty-free-usb-c-spec-data-transfer https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/24/15685096/intel-thunderbol...

actually Asrock release X570 for ryzen2 with PCIE4 and thunderbolt 3 (https://www.anandtech.com/show/14455/asrock-x570-aqua-heaviest-flagship-motherboard-ever-with-thunderbolt https://www.anandtech.com/show/14455/asrock-x570-aqua-heavie...).

ulzeraj 7y ago
Now that’s some great news. I want an AMD Apple system now.
- leemailll 7y ago
  The downside is the motherboard is pretty expensive. And I don’t think many people would buy a motherboard more expensive than the cpu on board. ASRock might offer a few more X570 mb with tb3, but I haven’t checked
  - jsty 7y ago
    If it's baked into an iMac / Mac Pro, what proportion of the potential market are actually going to delve that deeply into the components? I'd wager probably single digit %.
mchristen 7y ago
It seems they are also coming out with a Thin-ITX form factor motherboard, which up until now has been limited to Intel platforms.

agloeregrets 7y ago

Thunderbolt is an open protocol now. They are not stuck.

ksec 7y ago
Is that true though? As far as I know the Spec has been donated to USB and will be included / published as USB4 by the end of this year. So until USB4 is out, it is not Open "yet". And even if USB4 is out, there is no guarantee USB won't mess up with only USB4 4x4 that support Thunderbolt 3 40Gbps.
- mikhailt 7y ago
  That's my understanding as well, we only have Intel's word at this moment that TB would be open but it's USB4 that'll have the open "TB features" and they will co-exist; not USB4 replacing TB at all. Here's the Verge article[1] that also speaks to this: > Although USB 4 will integrate Thunderbolt 3’s features, Intel says that the two standards will coexist. While USB 4 is open, Thunderbolt 3 is not, and Intel requires manufacturers to be certified to use it. It also offers these manufacturers more support with reference designs and technical support. USB 4 might have the same specs, but Intel provides other Thunderbolt 3 services that go beyond the hardware itself. [1]: https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/24/15685096/intel-thunderbolt-3-royalty-free-usb-c-spec-data-transfer https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/24/15685096/intel-thunderbol...