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The linked article paints a slightly less heroic picture of someone who used a loophole in the ordinances to allow construction crews to jackhammer after 10PM i

The linked article paints a slightly less heroic picture of someone who used a loophole in the ordinances to allow construction crews to jackhammer after 10PM in the residential areas and got away with it. So while families with small children were kept up in the long hours of the night, the loopholing hero was enjoying his quiet 9 hours of Zzzs. All hypothetical of course, I am not from the area. here's the paragraph describing the loophole: """ “The parking areas, all the travel areas…the pedestrian walkways…that’s all considered inside the station,” Kirst added, explaining what the noise waiver granted to Metro covers. Crews working in those areas aren’t allowed to perform “excavation, demolition, saw cutting, and jack hammering” between 10 pm-6 am on Sunday through Thursdays, and 10 pm-8 am on Friday and Saturday. Those restrictions don’t apply to the tracks outside the stations, however. """

kerbalspacepro 7y ago
If you can afford to live within jackhammer distance of a metro, you can afford earplugs
- wanderer2323 7y ago
  you ever tried convincing a scared crying 3 year old to put in an earplug?
  - random314 7y ago
    Won't some body think of the children?!
  - telotortium 7y ago
    I'm sure closing the windows, and putting on their favorite video, will work well enough to drown out the noise of the jackhammer. I lived a block from Caltrain for a few years and the loud whistles of the passing trains were a minor annoyance at best.
    - bmiller2 7y ago
      Screen time for children? This is hacker news -the collective groupthink will eat you alive for that suggestion /s
      - telotortium 7y ago
        OK, have them listen to Mozart or whatever bourgeois parents these days think will turn their kids into geniuses :)
- B-Con 7y ago
  Wearing earplugs regularly isn't a solution, it's a sound bite and you know it. Just say you think peace doesn't actually matter.
rayiner 7y ago
One of the reasons America can't build infrastructure is that we elevate the temporary inconvenience of a few "families with small children" over the long-term good for hundreds of thousands of people in the region. It's also the underlying basis for the myriad ways in which we let individuals and special interest groups sue to stop development that benefits everyone.
- wanderer2323 7y ago
  yes, this state of affairs where you can buy a property and then expect to not be inconvenienced by corporations or governments in a myriad ways and then to sue if your peace is threatened is called 'civilization'. it seems that what you imagine is a 'temporary inconvenience of a few families'. what I imagine is a world where every day there is a new 'temporary inconvenience' which you are supposed to endure 'for the good of the many', over and over again -- because that is what will happen when 'heroes' like the one in the article are allowed to run amok.
  - dhhdhdsbdb 7y ago
    Yes, because the suburbs are always a good option for families who aren't into the whole collective living thing. And it makes sense. When you have a kid, that kid is your priority. There's less incentice to be willing to sacrifice for others who aren't your genetic progeny. Full disclosure, I personally think having a kid is the single most selfish act a human can do. I don't mind it obviously, but do observe that it's amazing when other people expect me to prefer their offsprings' benefit over anything else. No, you're already looking out for them. I think it makes sense to treat them like any other human, since that's all they are to me.
    - notfromhere 7y ago
      that's kind of not how kids were raised for the length of civilization before 1945
  - londons_explore 7y ago
    It really depends what "few" means. A benevolent dictator would do a nationwide cost-benefit analysis, and decide if 30 families having no sleep for a week outweighs 100,000 people getting to work 10 minutes faster for the next decade. While sometimes our existing legal system makes the same choice as our fictional benevolent dictator, sometimes it doesn't because rather than looking at the big picture, it gets tied up with nuances of wording of ordinances and precident written decades earlier without knowledge of the current situation. Whenever that happens, on average, people's lives get worse and the economy weaker, compared to an identical country which made the benevolent dictator choice.
euler_angles 7y ago
Not hypothetical. A dear friend of mine lives next to a Metro station and just recently complained that jackhammering was still going on at 11:30 PM for several nights in a row.
- londons_explore 7y ago
  Outside the USA, I live near a subway line, and every single night for the last 10 years I hear hammering and yelling. The subway needs disassembly to check it isn't worn out yet, which involves big sledgehammers to dislodge bits of track. Due to strict safety rules, they have to do that once per 10,000 wheels passing over the track, which is every day. Does it reduce my quality of life? Yes. But not having the subway working efficiently and safely would have a much bigger impact, so is a cost I pay for a bigger benefit elsewhere.
cowsandmilk 7y ago
> used a loophole in the ordinances How can something that is standard in the ordinances of multiple districts (and is pretty common nationwide) be considered a loophole? It is pretty intentional that this work is exempt.

kerbalspacepro 7y ago

If you can afford to live within jackhammer distance of a metro, you can afford earplugs

wanderer2323 7y ago
you ever tried convincing a scared crying 3 year old to put in an earplug?
- random314 7y ago
  Won't some body think of the children?!
- telotortium 7y ago
  I'm sure closing the windows, and putting on their favorite video, will work well enough to drown out the noise of the jackhammer. I lived a block from Caltrain for a few years and the loud whistles of the passing trains were a minor annoyance at best.
  - bmiller2 7y ago
    Screen time for children? This is hacker news -the collective groupthink will eat you alive for that suggestion /s
    - telotortium 7y ago
      OK, have them listen to Mozart or whatever bourgeois parents these days think will turn their kids into geniuses :)
B-Con 7y ago
Wearing earplugs regularly isn't a solution, it's a sound bite and you know it. Just say you think peace doesn't actually matter.

rayiner 7y ago

One of the reasons America can't build infrastructure is that we elevate the temporary inconvenience of a few "families with small children" over the long-term good for hundreds of thousands of people in the region. It's also the underlying basis for the myriad ways in which we let individuals and special interest groups sue to stop development that benefits everyone.

wanderer2323 7y ago
yes, this state of affairs where you can buy a property and then expect to not be inconvenienced by corporations or governments in a myriad ways and then to sue if your peace is threatened is called 'civilization'. it seems that what you imagine is a 'temporary inconvenience of a few families'. what I imagine is a world where every day there is a new 'temporary inconvenience' which you are supposed to endure 'for the good of the many', over and over again -- because that is what will happen when 'heroes' like the one in the article are allowed to run amok.
- dhhdhdsbdb 7y ago
  Yes, because the suburbs are always a good option for families who aren't into the whole collective living thing. And it makes sense. When you have a kid, that kid is your priority. There's less incentice to be willing to sacrifice for others who aren't your genetic progeny. Full disclosure, I personally think having a kid is the single most selfish act a human can do. I don't mind it obviously, but do observe that it's amazing when other people expect me to prefer their offsprings' benefit over anything else. No, you're already looking out for them. I think it makes sense to treat them like any other human, since that's all they are to me.
  - notfromhere 7y ago
    that's kind of not how kids were raised for the length of civilization before 1945
- londons_explore 7y ago
  It really depends what "few" means. A benevolent dictator would do a nationwide cost-benefit analysis, and decide if 30 families having no sleep for a week outweighs 100,000 people getting to work 10 minutes faster for the next decade. While sometimes our existing legal system makes the same choice as our fictional benevolent dictator, sometimes it doesn't because rather than looking at the big picture, it gets tied up with nuances of wording of ordinances and precident written decades earlier without knowledge of the current situation. Whenever that happens, on average, people's lives get worse and the economy weaker, compared to an identical country which made the benevolent dictator choice.

euler_angles 7y ago

Not hypothetical. A dear friend of mine lives next to a Metro station and just recently complained that jackhammering was still going on at 11:30 PM for several nights in a row.

londons_explore 7y ago
Outside the USA, I live near a subway line, and every single night for the last 10 years I hear hammering and yelling. The subway needs disassembly to check it isn't worn out yet, which involves big sledgehammers to dislodge bits of track. Due to strict safety rules, they have to do that once per 10,000 wheels passing over the track, which is every day. Does it reduce my quality of life? Yes. But not having the subway working efficiently and safely would have a much bigger impact, so is a cost I pay for a bigger benefit elsewhere.

cowsandmilk 7y ago

> used a loophole in the ordinances How can something that is standard in the ordinances of multiple districts (and is pretty common nationwide) be considered a loophole? It is pretty intentional that this work is exempt.