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The flip side to the public being surveilled, is the police and other organs of the state being hidden. Can I make a prediction? I predict that within 10 year

The flip side to the public being surveilled, is the police and other organs of the state being hidden. Can I make a prediction? I predict that within 10 years, all police officers will carry with them a little transponder that transmits a signal that disables the camera of any cell phone within a certain radius. Think of the difference between the Vietnam war and the iraq war; during the Vietnam war the press was allowed to take full color images of the whole conflict, from the inside, showing the burning monks and children and so forth. In the Iraq war, we got a few blurry pictures from Wikileaks and look what happened to Assange. From the point of view of the state, us seeing what they are doing is a problem to be corrected, nothing more. And likewise if they don’t have total surveillance of us, it’s a problem to be solved. Edit: apple’s already got the patent: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/07/what-if-cameras-stopped-telling-the-truth/491150/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/07/what-...

maxerickson 7y ago
https://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/photographers-oral-history-of-the-iraq-war/ https://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/photographers-oral...
maxxxxx 7y ago
That's the thing: A few people in government and private companies will have full information about citizenry whilst at the same fiercely protecting their own secrets.
- carapace 7y ago
  I believe that it's fundamentally impossible to "roll back" the degree of surveillance in our global society in an effective way. Our technology is already converging to a near-total degree of surveillance. And it's going to accelerate, for example, auto-autos (self-driving cars) and the road infrastructure to support them will be able to develop a near-real-time history of everyone walking down the street. We can't (I believe) prevent total surveillance but we can certainly control how the data are used, and we can set up systems that allow the data to be used without being abused. The system must be recursive. Whatever form the system takes, it shall necessarily have to be able to detect and correct its own self-abuses.
  - maxxxxx 7y ago
    Agreed. How we can create laws. Weh also can't roll back the capability of people to steal things or kill each other so we have laws. For example I strongly believe that face recognition in public spaces should be outlawed with maybe a few (!) exceptions for law enforcement.

maxerickson 7y ago

https://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/photographers-oral-history-of-the-iraq-war/ https://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/photographers-oral...

maxxxxx 7y ago

That's the thing: A few people in government and private companies will have full information about citizenry whilst at the same fiercely protecting their own secrets.

carapace 7y ago
I believe that it's fundamentally impossible to "roll back" the degree of surveillance in our global society in an effective way. Our technology is already converging to a near-total degree of surveillance. And it's going to accelerate, for example, auto-autos (self-driving cars) and the road infrastructure to support them will be able to develop a near-real-time history of everyone walking down the street. We can't (I believe) prevent total surveillance but we can certainly control how the data are used, and we can set up systems that allow the data to be used without being abused. The system must be recursive. Whatever form the system takes, it shall necessarily have to be able to detect and correct its own self-abuses.
- maxxxxx 7y ago
  Agreed. How we can create laws. Weh also can't roll back the capability of people to steal things or kill each other so we have laws. For example I strongly believe that face recognition in public spaces should be outlawed with maybe a few (!) exceptions for law enforcement.