That's the point - they won't respond to the "Western society" common sense because they'll just ignore facts and move the goalpost. Which is pretty convenient

That's the point - they won't respond to the "Western society" common sense because they'll just ignore facts and move the goalpost. Which is pretty convenient when you want to win an argument! In their eyes, they've won because I won't engage them further when in all reality no one wins because no one is willing to give up their stance. You can't nail these folks down on anything - they argue in almost pure logical fallacy, and the last thing they want is to concede to how the world _actually_ works... That's why the "fake news" thing was so incredibly damaging - if anything it signal virtues to everyone to just make up their own narrative =(