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Jio revolution is the main reason for this, after Jio almost every other vendor is giving you 30Gb(1Gb per day) for $5-6 , no wonder, there is a %30-40 utilizat

Jio revolution is the main reason for this, after Jio almost every other vendor is giving you 30Gb(1Gb per day) for $5-6 , no wonder, there is a %30-40 utilization of data. Majority of this utilization would be on Streaming, Torrent downloads etc etc, Also to note that , many of the calls made in India are VOLTE calls..

kareemm 7y ago
Can Jio make money at these prices? Or is Reliance subsidizing Jio (and if so, how heavily?)
- inapis 7y ago
  Jio's business model is not exclusively dependent on direct revenue from consumers. It includes content play on films, videos, music, news + subsequent ads. They've also indicated that they will be doing deep packet inspection [1] on data passing through their network to presumably build ad profiles of it's users. [1] https://in.reuters.com/article/reliance-telecoms-jio/from-big-oil-to-big-data-inside-mukesh-ambanis-20-billion-start-up-idINKCN11611V https://in.reuters.com/article/reliance-telecoms-jio/from-bi...
purplex 7y ago
I totally agree with you. Even though Jio has blocked many torrent website, still people find holes to download the content. Normally people subscribe for the 1 or 1.5 GB/day plan, which was earlier very much affordable compared to other operators. Not others too have reduced their prices to stay in competition. One advantage is that Jio was totally new to the market so they started with 4G networks directly. The connectivity, voice clarity and bandwidth was very good due to only-4G network. Other operators were are still working on 2G, 3G and 4G. I had earlier worked for Jio for 5 years and I feel proud today that I contributed for the country - in allowing the easy access of data to public. I remember, before 6 years I used to get 1 GB data for Rs. 250. Today for the same amount I can nearly get 50 GB data. My wife also worked for Jio and today is her last day. I feel very sad now.
- gowthamgts12 7y ago
  While I'm happy that Jio is leading the data war, I'm little concerned about the competition (which is non-existent at this point). May be I'm paranoid, but I'm using Jio Postpaid and would never go to JioFiber to give away all my data.
- sound1 7y ago
  > Even though Jio has blocked many torrent website, still people find holes to download the content. In my experience, a lot of people I know switched streaming services instead of torrents. Amazon prime and Hoststar are quite affordable and have decent content now a days and people generally don't bother with the torrents as much as they did a few years ago.
  - vinay_ys 7y ago
    Except for Netflix which is $8/month, rest of the streaming services are very cheap. Hotstar has content from HBO, Showtime etc. Amazon Prime is ok. There are lots of Indian streaming services with Indian content. A lot of data consumption in India is video content hosted within India.
    - wtmt 7y ago
      Not comparing the content library, but the cost here. Netflix is not very expensive compared to Hotstar or Prime. The latter two are targeted at family watching. They don’t have the concept of user profiles on a single account. If you have a family of four with each wanting to watch something different without trashing others’ watch lists, progress, etc., then with Hotstar and Prime you’d have to buy four separate subscriptions. With Netflix, you get five separate user profiles for one price. Also, the quality of video and the user experience on Netflix is leagues ahead of Prime and Hotstar (in that order). Hotstar is very poor on technology and design. It only has its content catalog to lean on.
- z3phyr 7y ago
  The torrent websites might be blocked, but the actual torrent protocol works. You just need to find magnets.
ignoramous 7y ago
Jio censors the web of its own volition including censoring torrents and porn websites [0]. And it is no secret that it does deep packet inspection and kind of has an extensive footprint via its numerous apps that I'd presume gather how much ever data that they can abt its customers. [0] This has interestingly resulted in folks using Helo, Telegram et al to share pirated content and porn.
- indogooner 7y ago
  why would WhatsApp not work for this given it is so popular?
  - johnchristopher 7y ago
    Likely implied by OP. See https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/et_al.#English https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/et_al.#English
Roritharr 7y ago
Jio is fascinating. I once held a talk at an event where their Interim CISO Karsten Nohl was also speaking. The way Jio was built and what challenges they faced trying to build a gigantic mobile operator from scratch and building it secure from day one are a story i'd like to read a book about, but I'm already glad he held a talk about it. The most interesting part was their realization that there was nearly no "new & secure" hardware available they could buy off the shelf, most came with old unpatched versions of software, many had components that simply had no update functionality at all, some had but required manual onsite intervention for updates, just what you need when you want to connect one of the largest countries on this planet. This was not third-rate stuff from China, he was talking Ericsson, Nokia, Huawei... the name brands involved in this space. Fascinating and astounding what went on at this time at Jio and i'm grateful that sometimes people that deeply care about these issues get into these positions and get to fight these demons.
- KumarAseem 7y ago
  They had the advantage that they did not have any legacy systems to take care off. All the other operators have to take care of 2G and 3G network supporting infra along with putting in investment for 4G. So, Jio had a lot of money to use to grab the customers by offering free deals. They applied the approach of cannibalistic business growth. Also, there network is not good anymore now, as the subscriber base has grown. I have seen cross connects happening which used to happen in the days of landlines. Cross-connect, not sure if all know it by the same name, is when you call a number and you get connected to some other number. I have never faced this with other providers like Airtel, Idea and Vodafone in 13+ years of mobile phone usage. Jio is now in the same league as others, and is actually bad at the customer front level when compared to Airtel and Vodafone+Idea. This is from my own experience and of those in the close circle.
  - megaremote 7y ago
    > Jio had a lot of money to use to grab the customers by offering free deals How do you make money offering free deals?
alberto_ol 7y ago
in Italy I pay 8 Euros for 50GByte per month
- vram22 7y ago
  So is that considered good or bad there?
wtmt 7y ago
It’s even cheaper than that. 1GB 4G data per day, with unlimited calls (local and long distance) and 100 SMS per day, can be had on prepaid plans that cost about $2 (₹140) per month on longer duration plans (like 84 days). With additional discounts, this can go down even further. These plans are provided by the other major service providers. Postpaid plans (contract plans) in India are ripoffs, comparatively.

kareemm 7y ago

Can Jio make money at these prices? Or is Reliance subsidizing Jio (and if so, how heavily?)

inapis 7y ago
Jio's business model is not exclusively dependent on direct revenue from consumers. It includes content play on films, videos, music, news + subsequent ads. They've also indicated that they will be doing deep packet inspection [1] on data passing through their network to presumably build ad profiles of it's users. [1] https://in.reuters.com/article/reliance-telecoms-jio/from-big-oil-to-big-data-inside-mukesh-ambanis-20-billion-start-up-idINKCN11611V https://in.reuters.com/article/reliance-telecoms-jio/from-bi...

purplex 7y ago

I totally agree with you. Even though Jio has blocked many torrent website, still people find holes to download the content. Normally people subscribe for the 1 or 1.5 GB/day plan, which was earlier very much affordable compared to other operators. Not others too have reduced their prices to stay in competition. One advantage is that Jio was totally new to the market so they started with 4G networks directly. The connectivity, voice clarity and bandwidth was very good due to only-4G network. Other operators were are still working on 2G, 3G and 4G. I had earlier worked for Jio for 5 years and I feel proud today that I contributed for the country - in allowing the easy access of data to public. I remember, before 6 years I used to get 1 GB data for Rs. 250. Today for the same amount I can nearly get 50 GB data. My wife also worked for Jio and today is her last day. I feel very sad now.

gowthamgts12 7y ago
While I'm happy that Jio is leading the data war, I'm little concerned about the competition (which is non-existent at this point). May be I'm paranoid, but I'm using Jio Postpaid and would never go to JioFiber to give away all my data.
sound1 7y ago
> Even though Jio has blocked many torrent website, still people find holes to download the content. In my experience, a lot of people I know switched streaming services instead of torrents. Amazon prime and Hoststar are quite affordable and have decent content now a days and people generally don't bother with the torrents as much as they did a few years ago.
- vinay_ys 7y ago
  Except for Netflix which is $8/month, rest of the streaming services are very cheap. Hotstar has content from HBO, Showtime etc. Amazon Prime is ok. There are lots of Indian streaming services with Indian content. A lot of data consumption in India is video content hosted within India.
  - wtmt 7y ago
    Not comparing the content library, but the cost here. Netflix is not very expensive compared to Hotstar or Prime. The latter two are targeted at family watching. They don’t have the concept of user profiles on a single account. If you have a family of four with each wanting to watch something different without trashing others’ watch lists, progress, etc., then with Hotstar and Prime you’d have to buy four separate subscriptions. With Netflix, you get five separate user profiles for one price. Also, the quality of video and the user experience on Netflix is leagues ahead of Prime and Hotstar (in that order). Hotstar is very poor on technology and design. It only has its content catalog to lean on.
z3phyr 7y ago
The torrent websites might be blocked, but the actual torrent protocol works. You just need to find magnets.

ignoramous 7y ago

Jio censors the web of its own volition including censoring torrents and porn websites [0]. And it is no secret that it does deep packet inspection and kind of has an extensive footprint via its numerous apps that I'd presume gather how much ever data that they can abt its customers. [0] This has interestingly resulted in folks using Helo, Telegram et al to share pirated content and porn.

indogooner 7y ago
why would WhatsApp not work for this given it is so popular?
- johnchristopher 7y ago
  Likely implied by OP. See https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/et_al.#English https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/et_al.#English

Roritharr 7y ago

Jio is fascinating. I once held a talk at an event where their Interim CISO Karsten Nohl was also speaking. The way Jio was built and what challenges they faced trying to build a gigantic mobile operator from scratch and building it secure from day one are a story i'd like to read a book about, but I'm already glad he held a talk about it. The most interesting part was their realization that there was nearly no "new & secure" hardware available they could buy off the shelf, most came with old unpatched versions of software, many had components that simply had no update functionality at all, some had but required manual onsite intervention for updates, just what you need when you want to connect one of the largest countries on this planet. This was not third-rate stuff from China, he was talking Ericsson, Nokia, Huawei... the name brands involved in this space. Fascinating and astounding what went on at this time at Jio and i'm grateful that sometimes people that deeply care about these issues get into these positions and get to fight these demons.

KumarAseem 7y ago
They had the advantage that they did not have any legacy systems to take care off. All the other operators have to take care of 2G and 3G network supporting infra along with putting in investment for 4G. So, Jio had a lot of money to use to grab the customers by offering free deals. They applied the approach of cannibalistic business growth. Also, there network is not good anymore now, as the subscriber base has grown. I have seen cross connects happening which used to happen in the days of landlines. Cross-connect, not sure if all know it by the same name, is when you call a number and you get connected to some other number. I have never faced this with other providers like Airtel, Idea and Vodafone in 13+ years of mobile phone usage. Jio is now in the same league as others, and is actually bad at the customer front level when compared to Airtel and Vodafone+Idea. This is from my own experience and of those in the close circle.
- megaremote 7y ago
  > Jio had a lot of money to use to grab the customers by offering free deals How do you make money offering free deals?

alberto_ol 7y ago

in Italy I pay 8 Euros for 50GByte per month

vram22 7y ago
So is that considered good or bad there?

wtmt 7y ago

It’s even cheaper than that. 1GB 4G data per day, with unlimited calls (local and long distance) and 100 SMS per day, can be had on prepaid plans that cost about $2 (₹140) per month on longer duration plans (like 84 days). With additional discounts, this can go down even further. These plans are provided by the other major service providers. Postpaid plans (contract plans) in India are ripoffs, comparatively.