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He seems self-aware enough to realize that he was disinvited because of his conservative voting record. That's the point. The things he's voted for a bad for th

He seems self-aware enough to realize that he was disinvited because of his conservative voting record. That's the point. The things he's voted for a bad for the country and its people. He is exhibiting a common tactic for right-wingers. Break norms, assault liberal republican democracy and then cry foul when someone calls them on it. Some of the people that will be at black hat are threatened by the policies they advocate.

microcolonel 7y ago
> Break norms, assault liberal republican democracy and then cry foul when someone calls them on it. Most people in the U.S. do not think elective late term abortions should be lawful. Opposition to elective late term abortions is the norm, whatever you think about the issue.
- youdontknowtho 7y ago
  "elective late-term abortion" is a right-wing talking point. The term is an invention used to help further criminalize something that the state shouldn't be involved in at all.
  - microcolonel 7y ago
    > "elective late-term abortion" is a right-wing talking point. The term is an invention used to help further criminalize something that the state shouldn't be involved in at all. Well, no. I'm just saying that barring extreme circumstances (serious medical complications, forcible rape, etc.) most people do not think it is moral to abort in the late term. I've never read or heard the phrase "elective late-term abortion" anywhere, "right-wing" or otherwise. I put the word "elective" on it because it seems like it describes basically what the surveys are asking.
    - tehbeard 7y ago
      > barring extreme circumstances Most of the recent bills we've heard about seem to ignore these circumstances..
  - crankylinuxuser 7y ago
    There's a reason why the Satanists have filed lawsuits , using RFRA at the state level. We have states that make religious claims and require abhorrent practices (trans-vaginal wand: rape stick). I'd posit the whole abortion "debate" (in the US) is a Christian vs non-Christian proxy battle.
- myvoiceismypass 7y ago
  At least be honest. You, and conservatives like Hurd, are against all abortion. “Late term” or not.
  - microcolonel 7y ago
    > You, and conservatives like Hurd, are against all abortion. “Late term” or not. Well, I'm not sure I'm a conservative. I don't take a position on it since it's extremely complicated, and people have outrageously strong feelings on either side. I'm not not talking about what one side of a wedge issue (all-or-nothing stances on abortion) may or may not believe; I'm talking about a common value that many people share on both sides of the wedge.
lurker458 7y ago
Even worse. The policies he advocates are keeping other people out entirely. Even Adi Shamir (the S from RSA) had trouble getting a travel visa a while ago.
treesrule 7y ago
So I think this claim is extremely overblown. One of the votes he was criticized for is a stem bill which I don't have the time to look up, and does not look defensible. The other things are abortion rights and he or the people he represents think that abortion is immoral. You aught to stop pretending like everyone who wants to put abortion restrictions in place wants to put women back in the kitchen, its not true and frankly it shows immaturity on the part of people who are unwilling to accept that people who disagree with you might not be corporate agents (even though congresspeople are on some issues). In conclusion, your comment boils down to the idea that somehow half the country is just lying about their preferences and somehow magically the other half of the country knows exactly what they are really thinking.
- youdontknowtho 7y ago
  Half of the country is not lying. They explicitly want to outlaw abortion. Maybe not half, but about a third explicitly want to put women back in the kitchen. At least one supreme court judge has stated that birth control is next. Amazing. I'm immature. Good comeback.
  - treesrule 7y ago
    Do you have any opinion surveys to back up the claim `third explicitly want to put women back in the kitchen`? If not is there a reason you suspect that? Also genuinely curious re `At least one supreme court judge has stated that birth control is next.` Do you have a source for that?
    - youdontknowtho 7y ago
      You caught me Mr Footnote. I don't know why I thought I could get away with it. Oh woe. Woe is me.
      - dang 7y ago
        You have broken the site guidelines egregiously throughout this thread. We ban accounts that do that. Moreover, we've warned you about this a whole bunch of times in the past. I'm not going to ban you right now because you've also posted about other topics in a way that fits the site guidelines. But if you abuse HN for political flamewar again, we will have to. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

microcolonel 7y ago

> Break norms, assault liberal republican democracy and then cry foul when someone calls them on it. Most people in the U.S. do not think elective late term abortions should be lawful. Opposition to elective late term abortions is the norm, whatever you think about the issue.

youdontknowtho 7y ago
"elective late-term abortion" is a right-wing talking point. The term is an invention used to help further criminalize something that the state shouldn't be involved in at all.
- microcolonel 7y ago
  > "elective late-term abortion" is a right-wing talking point. The term is an invention used to help further criminalize something that the state shouldn't be involved in at all. Well, no. I'm just saying that barring extreme circumstances (serious medical complications, forcible rape, etc.) most people do not think it is moral to abort in the late term. I've never read or heard the phrase "elective late-term abortion" anywhere, "right-wing" or otherwise. I put the word "elective" on it because it seems like it describes basically what the surveys are asking.
  - tehbeard 7y ago
    > barring extreme circumstances Most of the recent bills we've heard about seem to ignore these circumstances..
- crankylinuxuser 7y ago
  There's a reason why the Satanists have filed lawsuits , using RFRA at the state level. We have states that make religious claims and require abhorrent practices (trans-vaginal wand: rape stick). I'd posit the whole abortion "debate" (in the US) is a Christian vs non-Christian proxy battle.
myvoiceismypass 7y ago
At least be honest. You, and conservatives like Hurd, are against all abortion. “Late term” or not.
- microcolonel 7y ago
  > You, and conservatives like Hurd, are against all abortion. “Late term” or not. Well, I'm not sure I'm a conservative. I don't take a position on it since it's extremely complicated, and people have outrageously strong feelings on either side. I'm not not talking about what one side of a wedge issue (all-or-nothing stances on abortion) may or may not believe; I'm talking about a common value that many people share on both sides of the wedge.

lurker458 7y ago

Even worse. The policies he advocates are keeping other people out entirely. Even Adi Shamir (the S from RSA) had trouble getting a travel visa a while ago.

treesrule 7y ago

So I think this claim is extremely overblown. One of the votes he was criticized for is a stem bill which I don't have the time to look up, and does not look defensible. The other things are abortion rights and he or the people he represents think that abortion is immoral. You aught to stop pretending like everyone who wants to put abortion restrictions in place wants to put women back in the kitchen, its not true and frankly it shows immaturity on the part of people who are unwilling to accept that people who disagree with you might not be corporate agents (even though congresspeople are on some issues). In conclusion, your comment boils down to the idea that somehow half the country is just lying about their preferences and somehow magically the other half of the country knows exactly what they are really thinking.

youdontknowtho 7y ago
Half of the country is not lying. They explicitly want to outlaw abortion. Maybe not half, but about a third explicitly want to put women back in the kitchen. At least one supreme court judge has stated that birth control is next. Amazing. I'm immature. Good comeback.
- treesrule 7y ago
  Do you have any opinion surveys to back up the claim `third explicitly want to put women back in the kitchen`? If not is there a reason you suspect that? Also genuinely curious re `At least one supreme court judge has stated that birth control is next.` Do you have a source for that?
  - youdontknowtho 7y ago
    You caught me Mr Footnote. I don't know why I thought I could get away with it. Oh woe. Woe is me.
    - dang 7y ago
      You have broken the site guidelines egregiously throughout this thread. We ban accounts that do that. Moreover, we've warned you about this a whole bunch of times in the past. I'm not going to ban you right now because you've also posted about other topics in a way that fits the site guidelines. But if you abuse HN for political flamewar again, we will have to. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html