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What??? I'm from Cupertino. Haven't been back in ages but I had no idea this was going on. Do you have a source? not that I don't believe you, but I would be in

What??? I'm from Cupertino. Haven't been back in ages but I had no idea this was going on. Do you have a source? not that I don't believe you, but I would be interested in learning more.

astrange 7y ago
Cupertino residents are incredibly NIMBY and incredibly dedicated to not letting anyone new move in - traffic, you know. The city council they just elected has many great opinions like "Apple employees are too poor to live in Cupertino" and "Men who work at Apple will molest our daughters and hire prostitutes". Right now Vallco mall has been torn down and the city is trying its best to stop an affordable housing development there.
- bilbo0s 7y ago
  Part of problem in Japan: >also set strict requirements for younger people who lived there: if your income exceeded a certain threshold, you would be evicted. If you refused, you were charged rent – at potentially up to twice the market rate, depending on your income... Part of problem in US: >Cupertino residents are ... incredibly dedicated to not letting anyone new move in... Sounds like HNUser "npunt" was correct in the assertion that the same thing seems to be going down in both places, and for similar reasons. Difference being that the Japanese are open to using the law in a more stringent manner to keep younger people out.
  - astrange 7y ago
    There's a lot of differences - Japan actually has great zoning and land use laws, and zoning is nationally controlled, so homeowners can't abuse it to raise their own property prices like in California. That's what the "traffic" complaints are excuses for. As a result, housing in Tokyo is a lot cheaper than you'd expect it to be. Still, the issues with public housing aren't surprising. I'm not sure you can get evicted from Section 8 apartments in the US for making more money, but it wouldn't surprise me.
    - freewilly1040 7y ago
      I wonder if the root cause in Tokyo is more their aversion to immigration than any zoning problem
      - astrange 7y ago
        The current government (supposedly right-wing) has reformed immigration to the point it's easier to move there than to the US. Your whole family can work, you can get permanent residency in a few years, it's all good. Of course, having a college degree makes it a lot easier. It's not very appealing for Americans because the work culture is pretty bad and pay is low, so you can't get out of student debt, but I met a lot of Asian immigrants last time I was there.
gyc 7y ago
https://cupertinotoday.com/2018/01/09/cupertino-school-board-to-mull-potential-5m-in-cuts/ https://cupertinotoday.com/2018/01/09/cupertino-school-board...

What??? I'm from Cupertino. Haven't been back in ages but I had no idea this was going on. Do you have a source? not that I don't believe you, but I would be interested in learning more.

astrange 7y ago

Cupertino residents are incredibly NIMBY and incredibly dedicated to not letting anyone new move in - traffic, you know. The city council they just elected has many great opinions like "Apple employees are too poor to live in Cupertino" and "Men who work at Apple will molest our daughters and hire prostitutes". Right now Vallco mall has been torn down and the city is trying its best to stop an affordable housing development there.

bilbo0s 7y ago
Part of problem in Japan: >also set strict requirements for younger people who lived there: if your income exceeded a certain threshold, you would be evicted. If you refused, you were charged rent – at potentially up to twice the market rate, depending on your income... Part of problem in US: >Cupertino residents are ... incredibly dedicated to not letting anyone new move in... Sounds like HNUser "npunt" was correct in the assertion that the same thing seems to be going down in both places, and for similar reasons. Difference being that the Japanese are open to using the law in a more stringent manner to keep younger people out.
- astrange 7y ago
  There's a lot of differences - Japan actually has great zoning and land use laws, and zoning is nationally controlled, so homeowners can't abuse it to raise their own property prices like in California. That's what the "traffic" complaints are excuses for. As a result, housing in Tokyo is a lot cheaper than you'd expect it to be. Still, the issues with public housing aren't surprising. I'm not sure you can get evicted from Section 8 apartments in the US for making more money, but it wouldn't surprise me.
  - freewilly1040 7y ago
    I wonder if the root cause in Tokyo is more their aversion to immigration than any zoning problem
    - astrange 7y ago
      The current government (supposedly right-wing) has reformed immigration to the point it's easier to move there than to the US. Your whole family can work, you can get permanent residency in a few years, it's all good. Of course, having a college degree makes it a lot easier. It's not very appealing for Americans because the work culture is pretty bad and pay is low, so you can't get out of student debt, but I met a lot of Asian immigrants last time I was there.

gyc 7y ago

https://cupertinotoday.com/2018/01/09/cupertino-school-board-to-mull-potential-5m-in-cuts/ https://cupertinotoday.com/2018/01/09/cupertino-school-board...