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Could you give some examples of what you consider "anti-Chinese"? As a Westerner I'm somewhat confused by this. I have a Chinese friend who moved to the west in

Could you give some examples of what you consider "anti-Chinese"? As a Westerner I'm somewhat confused by this. I have a Chinese friend who moved to the west in his early teens. We were discussing an article that was critical of Chinese trade practices and I was surprised that he perceived the article as "anti-Chinese". He seemed to take personal offense. I was kind of perplexed by this reaction. I mean, in any sense that the author of the article was "anti-Chinese", they would presumably be "pro-Hong Kongese" or "pro-Taiwanese". So it's clearly not an ethnic/racial thing. Or is it not that clear? I think the conventional Western stance is that the citizens of China are being oppressed by their authoritarian government and that they, as a whole, would prefer to live in an open democracy like we do. You say you "don't care" about criticism of the Chinese government. As a Westerner, I don't understand why you're (only) indifferent about it. I mean, there were a couple million people on the streets of Hong Kong this weekend that are presumably more than indifferent about the Chinese government. So help me understand your point of view. Like for example, how do you feel about the U.S. actions against Huawei (in terms of being "anti-Chinese")?

throwaway_9cc8 7y ago
Good point - I shouldn't have said "don't care" about the criticisms - "don't mind" is a lot better. The Chinese government need more reasonable criticisms. As for "anti-Chinese" vs. pro something else - if I may, that's a false dichotomy. There are a lot more commonalities among people from mainland Chinese/Taiwan/Hong Kong/Macau than differences (practically none if/when the human race rises above this nationality bullshit). Ethnically speaking >90% of the population from those places are Han (there is an uncomfortable undercurrent of (at times reverse) Han chauvinism that I won't go into). I couldn't find (after searching through a couple recent HN threads) positively voted comments that are anti-Chinese so people and mods are doing a great job. OTOH, even downvoted and flagged posts are still representing opinions, unpopular as the content might be. Or maybe I am overly sensitive. As for Huawei, I don't have love for any Crony capitalism or Plutocracy. They are doing some good research work though, and people working there are still people.
est 7y ago
> critical of Chinese trade practices and I was surprised that he perceived the article as "anti-Chinese". For many Chinese, "learning" is semantically equal to "emulating". e.g. Learning to walk, learning to write, learning everything else. It's natural that the most advanced technological countries should influence the rest, like the rich is supposed to fund the poor and the strong should help the weak. And "learning" fast should be praised, like in schools. It's like a teacher shows off its skills and told students it's forbidden for follow? Tons of Chinese can not get the hang of this. One more reason many Chinese people lost hope for the US during this trade war, is because it's argued that China does not practice "rule of the law", then Rubio introduced a bill that would nullity all Huawei patents registered in the US. So for many people, the US laws are as manipulative as China's. This is explosive WTF.

throwaway_9cc8 7y ago

Good point - I shouldn't have said "don't care" about the criticisms - "don't mind" is a lot better. The Chinese government need more reasonable criticisms. As for "anti-Chinese" vs. pro something else - if I may, that's a false dichotomy. There are a lot more commonalities among people from mainland Chinese/Taiwan/Hong Kong/Macau than differences (practically none if/when the human race rises above this nationality bullshit). Ethnically speaking >90% of the population from those places are Han (there is an uncomfortable undercurrent of (at times reverse) Han chauvinism that I won't go into). I couldn't find (after searching through a couple recent HN threads) positively voted comments that are anti-Chinese so people and mods are doing a great job. OTOH, even downvoted and flagged posts are still representing opinions, unpopular as the content might be. Or maybe I am overly sensitive. As for Huawei, I don't have love for any Crony capitalism or Plutocracy. They are doing some good research work though, and people working there are still people.

est 7y ago

> critical of Chinese trade practices and I was surprised that he perceived the article as "anti-Chinese". For many Chinese, "learning" is semantically equal to "emulating". e.g. Learning to walk, learning to write, learning everything else. It's natural that the most advanced technological countries should influence the rest, like the rich is supposed to fund the poor and the strong should help the weak. And "learning" fast should be praised, like in schools. It's like a teacher shows off its skills and told students it's forbidden for follow? Tons of Chinese can not get the hang of this. One more reason many Chinese people lost hope for the US during this trade war, is because it's argued that China does not practice "rule of the law", then Rubio introduced a bill that would nullity all Huawei patents registered in the US. So for many people, the US laws are as manipulative as China's. This is explosive WTF.