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An interesting take on this in Spain recently was that unpaid overtime was effectively "robbing from state taxes", because those extra hours should have been pa
by CannisterFlux 7y ago
An interesting take on this in Spain recently was that unpaid overtime was effectively "robbing from state taxes", because those extra hours should have been paid and so contribute to the government coffers. This resulted in a law (mostly defanged, self reports and no real punishment) that companies must track the time employees spend at work.
- antidesitter 7y agoThat argument doesn’t really make sense.
- X6S1x6Okd1st 7y ago1) paid time is taxed 2) unpaid overtime is not taxed 3) untaxed work effectively evades taxes 4) unpaid overtime is tax evasion. which step don't you agree with?
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- antidesitter 7y agoI misread the comment.
- esoterica 7y ago1) Wages are taxed, not work. If there is no money paid there is no tax evasion. 2) Unpaid overtime is not really unpaid unless your employment agreement explicitly states that you are not supposed to work more than 40 hours. If you get paid $100k to work 50 hours, then you are getting paid $100k to work 50 hours, not $100k to work the first 40 and $0 to work the next 10. Your comp is payment all the hours you work, not just the first 40.
- X6S1x6Okd1st 7y agoAt least in the US, not sure about the EU, but unless your profession is explicitly exempt salaried employees are still owed overtime. Unless a job explicitly states the number of hours an employee is to work it's assumed it's 40 hours. Of course there are exceptions, such as programmers.
- Arcsech 7y agoWhy is "unpaid overtime is robbing from state taxes" a better argument than "unpaid overtime is robbing from workers"?
- phkahler 7y agoTo get someone (the government in this case) to care (change rules) it sometimes helps to frame a problem in a way that affects them. Maybe?
- merpnderp 7y agoThat's sad that a government wouldn't see its citizens being robbed as a problem that affects them, as governments are directly responsible for the regulatory environment in which we all do business.
- mars4rp 7y agoIn US, government is more run like a business, could we collect more revenue? yes? it's a good idea!!!
- justaguyhere 7y agoTo be fair to the US, it is the same in many other countries too.
- megablast 7y agoIf people allow themselves to be robbed, and millions do everyday, there is nothing the government can do about it, just as if they are robbed by a mugger. If people aren't reporting it, then nothing will change.
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- hrktb 7y agoFeels less selfish, and also undermines any kind of “look at XX, heroically giving his time for the success of the company” retort