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If we're going to make legislation that way maybe we can make everyone a organ donor unless you opt-out? And while where busy changing laws anyway, maybe from n

by pan69 16y ago

If we're going to make legislation that way maybe we can make everyone a organ donor unless you opt-out? And while where busy changing laws anyway, maybe from now on if you're suspected of a crime you're guilty unless proven innocent. There's to many criminals walking the streets who actually should be in jail...

wisty 16y ago
I'm a fan of opt-out organ donors. Unless you have strong feelings (possibly religious beliefs), there's no reason to take it all with you. Porn, on the other hand, has very few externalities.
- muuh-gnu 16y ago
  > there's no reason to take it all with you Theres no reason to force people to "donate" without bothering to talk to them or their families even once about it. The only reason is to trick them into donating by not telling them they'll be donating, knowing that a large part of them wouldn't donate if they had a fair choice. I think many people _do_ have strong feelings about their physical integrity and the physical integrity of their loved ones, especially in the case of not even being asked. A silent, deadhearted, mandatory opt-in would be for me a major reason to immediately opt-out without any chance of reconsideration.
  - stoney 16y ago
    > Theres no reason to force people to "donate" without bothering to talk to them or their families even once about it I would have said a shortage of donor organs would be a reason to force this? Maybe not an acceptable reason to you, but still a fairly strong reason.
- tomjen3 16y ago
  Yeah, let's force people to risk being carved up and having their bodies given to strangers (whom they may very well hate if they had a chance to get to know them) without their consent. And if you think it's an overblown fear, consider what happened to the guy they tried to autopsy in South America about a year ago: he woke up on the table.
  - chaosfox 16y ago
    yea but, if that guy wasn't a donor he could be in a coffin by that time.. either way, the fact that guy was (erroneously) declared dead is a totally different issue that can affect you whether you are or not a donor.
    - tomjen3 16y ago
      True but you typically have a few hours between the time they would have carved you up and the time they ship you to the morgue. I am not saying that it is likely to happen, but since your benefit from this is Nothing, it just has to be teoretically possible for it to give you an advantage.
bergie 16y ago
In Finland organ donations have been opt-out for a while now

by pan69 16y ago

wisty 16y ago

I'm a fan of opt-out organ donors. Unless you have strong feelings (possibly religious beliefs), there's no reason to take it all with you. Porn, on the other hand, has very few externalities.

muuh-gnu 16y ago
> there's no reason to take it all with you Theres no reason to force people to "donate" without bothering to talk to them or their families even once about it. The only reason is to trick them into donating by not telling them they'll be donating, knowing that a large part of them wouldn't donate if they had a fair choice. I think many people _do_ have strong feelings about their physical integrity and the physical integrity of their loved ones, especially in the case of not even being asked. A silent, deadhearted, mandatory opt-in would be for me a major reason to immediately opt-out without any chance of reconsideration.
- stoney 16y ago
  > Theres no reason to force people to "donate" without bothering to talk to them or their families even once about it I would have said a shortage of donor organs would be a reason to force this? Maybe not an acceptable reason to you, but still a fairly strong reason.
tomjen3 16y ago
Yeah, let's force people to risk being carved up and having their bodies given to strangers (whom they may very well hate if they had a chance to get to know them) without their consent. And if you think it's an overblown fear, consider what happened to the guy they tried to autopsy in South America about a year ago: he woke up on the table.
- chaosfox 16y ago
  yea but, if that guy wasn't a donor he could be in a coffin by that time.. either way, the fact that guy was (erroneously) declared dead is a totally different issue that can affect you whether you are or not a donor.
  - tomjen3 16y ago
    True but you typically have a few hours between the time they would have carved you up and the time they ship you to the morgue. I am not saying that it is likely to happen, but since your benefit from this is Nothing, it just has to be teoretically possible for it to give you an advantage.

bergie 16y ago

In Finland organ donations have been opt-out for a while now