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Yeah, but who gets to decide what the cutoff for "porn" is? Any movie with a naked person in it? What if it's just a bare ass? What if it's a painting or sculpt

Yeah, but who gets to decide what the cutoff for "porn" is? Any movie with a naked person in it? What if it's just a bare ass? What if it's a painting or sculpture? Just like television ratings don't stop kids from watching violent tv, movie ratings don't stop kids from watching certain movies, and video game ratings certainly don't stop kids from violent/adult games, this would accomplish nothing... It all comes down to the parents. They need to be on top of what their kids are doing online and the last thing we need is more useless censorship that protects nothing.

lsd5you 16y ago
Yeah, but who gets to decide what the cutoff for "porn" is? Somebody, using consensual guidelines. You are perhaps mistaking the UK for America. It isn't a battle between constitutional rights and puritanical religous nuts. People are generally more moderate, and as such any introduced change is likely to remain moderate. (Not that the UK hasn't got its own major problems). Many people rely on ratings for guidance, they make life a lot easier. For games they do admittedly have less effect, but that is perhaps to do with inertia in society, and the starting point of initial feelings towards games as unrealistic (which in some cases is not so true any more). If it won't accomplish anything then I don't really see what the objection is. In reality it could well be quite effective. Obviously teenage boys of a certain disposition will circumvent any controls, via private networking, encrypted email attachments ... etc. This has always been true and people aren't that bothered about it. What is more half the fun is in the act of circumvention.
- FreeKill 16y ago
  The opposition is that we shouldn't be treating people like they are incapable of making reasonable decisions. You say "If it won't accomplish anything then I don't really see what the objection is." but that's like saying if you have nothing to hide, what's wrong with installing CCTV cameras every 10 feet? The more your step on a person's freedoms, the easier it becomes to do it more and more. You shouldn't have to justify your desire to access pornography to the government or your ISP (or any content that is perfectly legal for that matter) simply because some parents can't watch over their children when it comes to computers.

lsd5you 16y ago

Yeah, but who gets to decide what the cutoff for "porn" is? Somebody, using consensual guidelines. You are perhaps mistaking the UK for America. It isn't a battle between constitutional rights and puritanical religous nuts. People are generally more moderate, and as such any introduced change is likely to remain moderate. (Not that the UK hasn't got its own major problems). Many people rely on ratings for guidance, they make life a lot easier. For games they do admittedly have less effect, but that is perhaps to do with inertia in society, and the starting point of initial feelings towards games as unrealistic (which in some cases is not so true any more). If it won't accomplish anything then I don't really see what the objection is. In reality it could well be quite effective. Obviously teenage boys of a certain disposition will circumvent any controls, via private networking, encrypted email attachments ... etc. This has always been true and people aren't that bothered about it. What is more half the fun is in the act of circumvention.

FreeKill 16y ago
The opposition is that we shouldn't be treating people like they are incapable of making reasonable decisions. You say "If it won't accomplish anything then I don't really see what the objection is." but that's like saying if you have nothing to hide, what's wrong with installing CCTV cameras every 10 feet? The more your step on a person's freedoms, the easier it becomes to do it more and more. You shouldn't have to justify your desire to access pornography to the government or your ISP (or any content that is perfectly legal for that matter) simply because some parents can't watch over their children when it comes to computers.