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I am learning High German (in Switzerland) and the writing style and general approach in this article to the words' literal translations and the aggressive cult

by cjslep 7y ago

I am learning High German (in Switzerland) and the writing style and general approach in this article to the words' literal translations and the aggressive cultural characterizations bothered me, for a reason I can't quite put into words. Ich habe keine Ahnung.

neonate 7y ago
Is Switzerland a good place to learn High German? I was wondering about doing that myself.
- darklajid 7y ago
  Switzerland teaches High German (and colloquially - as far as I as a German am aware - refers to it as 'Written German'). If you learn High German in Switzerland you'll be able to speak German perfectly fine. There are regional differences though - Switzerland doesn't have the letter ß, Switzerland has some words that plain don't exist in German (as I know it). If any Swiss guy is reading: "Widerrechtliches parkieren wird verzeigt" contains two words (in a sentence of four..) that I can understand perfectly fine, but that just don't exist on my side of the border, as far as I can tell.
  - taejo 7y ago
    Duden agrees with you, btw: both parkieren and verzeigen are marked as Swiss. https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/parkieren https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/parkieren https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/verzeigen https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/verzeigen
    - darklajid 7y ago
      Stumbled upon quite some words like that in 'Written German' aka perfectly fine and official German (like the sign text quoted earlier). 'zuegeln' vs 'umziehen', 'grillieren' vs 'grillen', 'wir gehen in den Ausgang' vs 'wir gehen aus' come to mind, but most of the samples aren't in directly accessible memory anymore (and just as above, before you confirmed my suspicions, I'm not sure if the word I'm not familiar with is actually not a thing or just something I didn't encounter)
    - FabHK 7y ago
      Yes, it would be "Widerrechtliches Parken wird angezeigt" in German German.
  - jacobush 7y ago
    "Widerrechtliches parkieren wird verzeigt" feels so close to Swedish I almost feel pain that I can’t understand it... Edit: rättsvidrig parkering blir anmäld (verzeigt = för-täljt, sort of)
    - darklajid 7y ago
      You can change the first one (Widerrechtliches, wider -> against, recht -> law) for "Rechtswidriges" (same parts, same meaning) to get closer to yours. Parkering? CH German (afaict) uses parkieren, German uses parken. Wird is 'will (be)', guess blir Anmäld: While my sample used a CH German word ("verzeigt") vs the normal German ("angezeigt"), you arguably _could_ go with "gemeldet" (officially reported). So understandable German _could_ be "Rechtswidriges Parken wird gemeldet". Understandable, perfectly fine, just not .. the way it's commonly used, I'd say.
      - jacobush 7y ago
        And there you go, Swedish and German separated by a couple of thousand years (not counting heavy influence from the Hansa), yet almost intelligible :-D

by cjslep 7y ago

neonate 7y ago

Is Switzerland a good place to learn High German? I was wondering about doing that myself.

darklajid 7y ago
Switzerland teaches High German (and colloquially - as far as I as a German am aware - refers to it as 'Written German'). If you learn High German in Switzerland you'll be able to speak German perfectly fine. There are regional differences though - Switzerland doesn't have the letter ß, Switzerland has some words that plain don't exist in German (as I know it). If any Swiss guy is reading: "Widerrechtliches parkieren wird verzeigt" contains two words (in a sentence of four..) that I can understand perfectly fine, but that just don't exist on my side of the border, as far as I can tell.
- taejo 7y ago
  Duden agrees with you, btw: both parkieren and verzeigen are marked as Swiss. https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/parkieren https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/parkieren https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/verzeigen https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/verzeigen
  - darklajid 7y ago
    Stumbled upon quite some words like that in 'Written German' aka perfectly fine and official German (like the sign text quoted earlier). 'zuegeln' vs 'umziehen', 'grillieren' vs 'grillen', 'wir gehen in den Ausgang' vs 'wir gehen aus' come to mind, but most of the samples aren't in directly accessible memory anymore (and just as above, before you confirmed my suspicions, I'm not sure if the word I'm not familiar with is actually not a thing or just something I didn't encounter)
  - FabHK 7y ago
    Yes, it would be "Widerrechtliches Parken wird angezeigt" in German German.
- jacobush 7y ago
  "Widerrechtliches parkieren wird verzeigt" feels so close to Swedish I almost feel pain that I can’t understand it... Edit: rättsvidrig parkering blir anmäld (verzeigt = för-täljt, sort of)
  - darklajid 7y ago
    You can change the first one (Widerrechtliches, wider -> against, recht -> law) for "Rechtswidriges" (same parts, same meaning) to get closer to yours. Parkering? CH German (afaict) uses parkieren, German uses parken. Wird is 'will (be)', guess blir Anmäld: While my sample used a CH German word ("verzeigt") vs the normal German ("angezeigt"), you arguably _could_ go with "gemeldet" (officially reported). So understandable German _could_ be "Rechtswidriges Parken wird gemeldet". Understandable, perfectly fine, just not .. the way it's commonly used, I'd say.
    - jacobush 7y ago
      And there you go, Swedish and German separated by a couple of thousand years (not counting heavy influence from the Hansa), yet almost intelligible :-D