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I'm gonna jump in here too and ask; why are you doing all this to yourself? I'm reading the comments, clicking the links to GH issues, reading websites and blo

I'm gonna jump in here too and ask; why are you doing all this to yourself? I'm reading the comments, clicking the links to GH issues, reading websites and blogs and comments and you seem to have a following. A loyal one. A vested one. Sure there are detractors, but if you step back and look; all your detractors are fueled either by your inaction, or your lack of transparency. All your supporters trust you, which is what you want. So all you have to do to take the wind out of the sails of your detractors is come clean, stop setting arbitrary forcasts mere hours into the future (pointless, sloppy, rude to your paying supporters), and just be straight. People paid hundreds of dollars for vlang. Do you think they care if there are a few hacks holding it together? They WANT to help you with this, and you claim to "want" their help and support.... SO LISTEN TO THEM! There are hundreds of comments in this thread (many of which from shills and throwaways) that you could chop off at the knees by simply not jerking everyone around. Do yourself, and vlang, a favor and either embrace open-source (and all that entails) or don't. Just do something to stop all the drama. I haven't been able to learn ANYTHING about vlang (and I don't know if I want to) because of all this bullshit.

amedvednikov 7y ago
You are right. This premature release was a mistake. June 22.
- zelon88 7y ago
  Just remember; someone who says yes first and no later is a "liar." Someone who says no first then yes later is a "good guy."
kingkong2022 7y ago
> many of which from shills and throwaways Yes, andrew and bill are both shills. And my comments have everything false written in it. Have you even read the comments?
dang 7y ago
> many of which from shills This breaks the site guidelines. Please review them and follow them when posting here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- zelon88 7y ago
  What else should I call an account that was created today with 10 posts on this one thread? I also broke the rules intentionally by using caps instead of asterisks. For that I apologize, but regardless of HN rules there is something going on in this thread. More than simple honest discussion.
  - dang 7y ago
    Internet users are a million times too quick to jump to the conclusion that other internet users must be dishonest, shills, or spies, simply because they hold a different view. The explanation is nearly always much more mundane. Meanwhile such accusations are toxic in their own right—they have a poisonous effect on HN. That's why the guidelines rule out making these insinuations. I've posted a lot about this if you or anyone want more explanation: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturfing https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme.... To pick just one possible explanation, sometimes people feel so strongly about a topic that they are propelled into making a new account where they had previously been lurking. I don't know which account you're referring to, so I don't know if that's the case here. However, you don't need to "call" them anything. You can respond if you want to, as long as you do so thoughtfully and substantively and without personal swipes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: if you mean https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=kingkong2022 https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=kingkong2022, we banned that account for egregiously breaking the site guidelines. A better way to express your frustration would have been to flag the egregious comments (see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html). That brings them to moderator attention. You could also have emailed us at hn@ycombinator.com, which would have brought it to our attention sooner.
  - 7y ago

amedvednikov 7y ago

You are right. This premature release was a mistake. June 22.

zelon88 7y ago
Just remember; someone who says yes first and no later is a "liar." Someone who says no first then yes later is a "good guy."

kingkong2022 7y ago

> many of which from shills and throwaways Yes, andrew and bill are both shills. And my comments have everything false written in it. Have you even read the comments?

dang 7y ago

> many of which from shills This breaks the site guidelines. Please review them and follow them when posting here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

zelon88 7y ago
What else should I call an account that was created today with 10 posts on this one thread? I also broke the rules intentionally by using caps instead of asterisks. For that I apologize, but regardless of HN rules there is something going on in this thread. More than simple honest discussion.
- dang 7y ago
  Internet users are a million times too quick to jump to the conclusion that other internet users must be dishonest, shills, or spies, simply because they hold a different view. The explanation is nearly always much more mundane. Meanwhile such accusations are toxic in their own right—they have a poisonous effect on HN. That's why the guidelines rule out making these insinuations. I've posted a lot about this if you or anyone want more explanation: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturfing https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme.... To pick just one possible explanation, sometimes people feel so strongly about a topic that they are propelled into making a new account where they had previously been lurking. I don't know which account you're referring to, so I don't know if that's the case here. However, you don't need to "call" them anything. You can respond if you want to, as long as you do so thoughtfully and substantively and without personal swipes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: if you mean https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=kingkong2022 https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=kingkong2022, we banned that account for egregiously breaking the site guidelines. A better way to express your frustration would have been to flag the egregious comments (see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html). That brings them to moderator attention. You could also have emailed us at hn@ycombinator.com, which would have brought it to our attention sooner.
- 7y ago