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Any plans for AMD to release first party NUC form factor devices with Ryder chips? I bet I’m not the only one that both loves that form factor and also amazed a

by koolba 7y ago

Any plans for AMD to release first party NUC form factor devices with Ryder chips? I bet I’m not the only one that both loves that form factor and also amazed at the perf numbers and core counts of these CPUs.

opencl 7y ago
ASRock's Deskmini A300 is as close as you are getting anytime soon. It's a nice machine but not quite as small as the NUC at 155 x 155 x 80 mm. Though note that the chip in this article is not going in a NUC form factor because it does not have integrated graphics. The Ryzen chips with integrated graphics top out at 4 cores and the new ones are still based on the older Zen+ microarchitecture.
BubRoss 7y ago
You can already build small form factor PC's but there are two major issues. First is that you need a gpu, so the chips just announced aren't going to work. The second is heat dissipation. It's easy to think any heat sink and fan will work, but the reality is that an integrated gpu and dynamic clocking can generate a lot of heat. The computer will still function, but can end up laggy and much less capable because it is being throttled. Then there are bios options to be aware of. Dynamic overclocking generates a lot of heat for little gain. The defaults also throttle too soon. Relaxed temperature throttling runs hotter but gives a much better experience. CPUs run just fine at 50C anyway. This is all to say a small PC is possible now and a NUC might be possible later, but they are still tricky to really get right.
rb808 7y ago
Intel nucs use lower powered U-series mobile CPUs, which AMD isn't so great at. Hopefully soon though.
bizarref00l 7y ago
Not sure if mini-itx fits your taste but epyc 3000 may be an option. https://www.servethehome.com/supermicro-m11sdv-8ct-ln4f-review-with-amd-epyc-3201-in-mitx/ https://www.servethehome.com/supermicro-m11sdv-8ct-ln4f-revi...
- officialchicken 7y ago
  M-itx cases are about 7.5 liters at the smallest (XBox size) although some specialty cases exist in the 5-6 liter range; a NUC is typically about 1 liter.
  - kllrnohj 7y ago
    Those cases tend to have full-size GPU support. You can find smaller cases for APU usages, like this one: https://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/Mini-ITX/101/SC101i https://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/Mini-ITX/101/SC1... But you can also find Mini-STX boards like this one: https://www.sapphiretech.com/en/commercial/amd-fs-fp5v https://www.sapphiretech.com/en/commercial/amd-fs-fp5v which should then fit in something like this: https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=708&area=en https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=708&area=en You can also find some very small Mini-ITX cases on things like aliexpress: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32994653418.html?spm=2114.search0204.3.8.265f7ce7NU5hDB&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0%2Csearchweb201602_10_10065_10130_10068_10547_319_10546_317_10548_10545_10696_10084_453_454_10083_10618_10307_537_536_10059_10884_10887_321_322_10103%2Csearchweb201603_52%2CppcSwitch_0&algo_expid=ddd3c89e-1b65-4477-a472-c2048af69af2-4&algo_pvid=ddd3c89e-1b65-4477-a472-c2048af69af2 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32994653418.html?spm=2114.se...
Symmetry 7y ago
What I really want is an industrial PC with these boys for our robots.
endemic 7y ago
I did a mini-ITX build last year with a 2400G inside an InWin Chopin case (https://www.in-win.com/en/gaming-chassis/Chopin https://www.in-win.com/en/gaming-chassis/Chopin). Definitely not as small as an Intel NUC, but it's also a lot more powerful. It can also be upgraded, unlike the NUC.
undersuit 7y ago
Here's a company using the V1000 line(low power Zen+Vega APUs) for a fanless chassis. https://tranquilpcshop.co.uk/mini-multi-display-pc/ https://tranquilpcshop.co.uk/mini-multi-display-pc/

by koolba 7y ago

opencl 7y ago

ASRock's Deskmini A300 is as close as you are getting anytime soon. It's a nice machine but not quite as small as the NUC at 155 x 155 x 80 mm. Though note that the chip in this article is not going in a NUC form factor because it does not have integrated graphics. The Ryzen chips with integrated graphics top out at 4 cores and the new ones are still based on the older Zen+ microarchitecture.

BubRoss 7y ago

You can already build small form factor PC's but there are two major issues. First is that you need a gpu, so the chips just announced aren't going to work. The second is heat dissipation. It's easy to think any heat sink and fan will work, but the reality is that an integrated gpu and dynamic clocking can generate a lot of heat. The computer will still function, but can end up laggy and much less capable because it is being throttled. Then there are bios options to be aware of. Dynamic overclocking generates a lot of heat for little gain. The defaults also throttle too soon. Relaxed temperature throttling runs hotter but gives a much better experience. CPUs run just fine at 50C anyway. This is all to say a small PC is possible now and a NUC might be possible later, but they are still tricky to really get right.

rb808 7y ago

Intel nucs use lower powered U-series mobile CPUs, which AMD isn't so great at. Hopefully soon though.

bizarref00l 7y ago

Not sure if mini-itx fits your taste but epyc 3000 may be an option. https://www.servethehome.com/supermicro-m11sdv-8ct-ln4f-review-with-amd-epyc-3201-in-mitx/ https://www.servethehome.com/supermicro-m11sdv-8ct-ln4f-revi...

officialchicken 7y ago
M-itx cases are about 7.5 liters at the smallest (XBox size) although some specialty cases exist in the 5-6 liter range; a NUC is typically about 1 liter.
- kllrnohj 7y ago
  Those cases tend to have full-size GPU support. You can find smaller cases for APU usages, like this one: https://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/Mini-ITX/101/SC101i https://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/Mini-ITX/101/SC1... But you can also find Mini-STX boards like this one: https://www.sapphiretech.com/en/commercial/amd-fs-fp5v https://www.sapphiretech.com/en/commercial/amd-fs-fp5v which should then fit in something like this: https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=708&area=en https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=708&area=en You can also find some very small Mini-ITX cases on things like aliexpress: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32994653418.html?spm=2114.search0204.3.8.265f7ce7NU5hDB&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0%2Csearchweb201602_10_10065_10130_10068_10547_319_10546_317_10548_10545_10696_10084_453_454_10083_10618_10307_537_536_10059_10884_10887_321_322_10103%2Csearchweb201603_52%2CppcSwitch_0&algo_expid=ddd3c89e-1b65-4477-a472-c2048af69af2-4&algo_pvid=ddd3c89e-1b65-4477-a472-c2048af69af2 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32994653418.html?spm=2114.se...

Symmetry 7y ago

What I really want is an industrial PC with these boys for our robots.

endemic 7y ago

I did a mini-ITX build last year with a 2400G inside an InWin Chopin case (https://www.in-win.com/en/gaming-chassis/Chopin https://www.in-win.com/en/gaming-chassis/Chopin). Definitely not as small as an Intel NUC, but it's also a lot more powerful. It can also be upgraded, unlike the NUC.

undersuit 7y ago

Here's a company using the V1000 line(low power Zen+Vega APUs) for a fanless chassis. https://tranquilpcshop.co.uk/mini-multi-display-pc/ https://tranquilpcshop.co.uk/mini-multi-display-pc/