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I think you are. Immediately creating a throwaway, jumping in, and spreading lies, misinformation, just like last time, when I released the playground early.

kingkong2022 7y ago
> pointed out the discrepency between the website and the readme. So either the website is wrong or the readme is wrong. If the website is wrong, you are a blatant liar. If the readme is wrong, then why am I not being able to compile V code without clang? Am I the one spreading misinformation here?
- amedvednikov 7y ago
  I don't see a single valid discrepency
  - kingkong2022 7y ago
    Lol what? Why did you remove the release then? Isn't that because you want to clean up the readme before re-releasing it? Anyways, I am done talking to you.
    - amedvednikov 7y ago
      Yes I delayed the release by 2 days to clean up readme. "Lol"
      - lifthrasiir 7y ago
        This is the first time I've ever heard of why the source release was delayed. I have also managed to see the related issue [1], which was posted too late. You should have said at the first time. [2] You have instantly earned much reputation by releasing Volt at the first time; that reputation is much easier to lose as well. People easily gets disappointed, no matter what you have achieved (or think that you can achieved); you should be very careful. Or you can stack much reputation that your mistake or short-sighted action doesn't harm yourself. [1] https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/287 https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/287 [2] Not that I like this form of release. Proprietary languages simply don't work in the modern world.
        amedvednikov 7y ago
        I'm sorry, proprietary languages? What are you referring to?
        lifthrasiir 7y ago
        A pledge to make your language free (as in freedom defined by FSF [1], so its antonym is proprietary) is not an open source by itself. Currently your language is not free. EDIT: s/open source/free/ [1] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
        amedvednikov 7y ago
        V is going to be released in 2 days and be free with a permissive license. You can't call an unreleased language proprietary.
        lifthrasiir 7y ago
        You have a working playground and have briefly released a binary. At the very least the second qualifies as a distribution, an important event when we are talking about F/OSS. Your language is therefore still proprietary. Many current programmers think F/OSS as a norm and proprietary (released or not) as exceptionally shady. Even though some may think proprietary software is acceptable, something being F/OSS is a label with the non-trivial amount of value. Your act can be interpreted as claiming that value without actually being F/OSS, no matter what was your intention.
        bendmorris 7y ago
        Honestly, what is the holdup on releasing the source? Other languages are developed entirely out in the open - what are you worried about? Why not just release it today in whatever state it's in, as was previously promised? Without releasing it you're expecting people to put blind faith in you.
        amedvednikov 7y ago
gingerBill 7y ago
I am the Odin creator. Please don't accuse me of spreading lies when all I have done is shown that your language is just "Not as Advertised", which I originally stated in this issue: https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/35 https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/35 Note: You also deleted many comments by other individuals criticizing your claims in that issue too.
- amedvednikov 7y ago
  "Many comments" (2). Repeating the same lies and misinformation. Most features requiring AST? Really? Codegeneration not possible to implement json decoding? It's just as ridiculous as claims here like V depening on glfw and freetype.
  - gingerBill 7y ago
    JSON decoding of the kind you want requires either run time type information or a high level metaprogramming system, of which you store the data for the types in a sort of tree, which you could call a typed abstract syntax tree (typed AST). Stating that V has no dependencies and then requiring dependencies means the original statement is false.
    - amedvednikov 7y ago
      > JSON decoding of the kind you want requires either run time type information No it doesn't. > Stating that V has no dependencies and then requiring dependencies. For the 10th time. THERE ARE NO DEPENDENCIES. You build V with `clang v.c`. Jesus Christ.

kingkong2022 7y ago

> pointed out the discrepency between the website and the readme. So either the website is wrong or the readme is wrong. If the website is wrong, you are a blatant liar. If the readme is wrong, then why am I not being able to compile V code without clang? Am I the one spreading misinformation here?

amedvednikov 7y ago
I don't see a single valid discrepency
- kingkong2022 7y ago
  Lol what? Why did you remove the release then? Isn't that because you want to clean up the readme before re-releasing it? Anyways, I am done talking to you.
  - amedvednikov 7y ago
    Yes I delayed the release by 2 days to clean up readme. "Lol"
    - lifthrasiir 7y ago
      This is the first time I've ever heard of why the source release was delayed. I have also managed to see the related issue [1], which was posted too late. You should have said at the first time. [2] You have instantly earned much reputation by releasing Volt at the first time; that reputation is much easier to lose as well. People easily gets disappointed, no matter what you have achieved (or think that you can achieved); you should be very careful. Or you can stack much reputation that your mistake or short-sighted action doesn't harm yourself. [1] https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/287 https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/287 [2] Not that I like this form of release. Proprietary languages simply don't work in the modern world.
      - amedvednikov 7y ago
        I'm sorry, proprietary languages? What are you referring to?
        lifthrasiir 7y ago
        A pledge to make your language free (as in freedom defined by FSF [1], so its antonym is proprietary) is not an open source by itself. Currently your language is not free. EDIT: s/open source/free/ [1] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
        amedvednikov 7y ago
        V is going to be released in 2 days and be free with a permissive license. You can't call an unreleased language proprietary.
        lifthrasiir 7y ago
        You have a working playground and have briefly released a binary. At the very least the second qualifies as a distribution, an important event when we are talking about F/OSS. Your language is therefore still proprietary. Many current programmers think F/OSS as a norm and proprietary (released or not) as exceptionally shady. Even though some may think proprietary software is acceptable, something being F/OSS is a label with the non-trivial amount of value. Your act can be interpreted as claiming that value without actually being F/OSS, no matter what was your intention.
        bendmorris 7y ago
        Honestly, what is the holdup on releasing the source? Other languages are developed entirely out in the open - what are you worried about? Why not just release it today in whatever state it's in, as was previously promised? Without releasing it you're expecting people to put blind faith in you.
      - amedvednikov 7y ago

gingerBill 7y ago

I am the Odin creator. Please don't accuse me of spreading lies when all I have done is shown that your language is just "Not as Advertised", which I originally stated in this issue: https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/35 https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/35 Note: You also deleted many comments by other individuals criticizing your claims in that issue too.

amedvednikov 7y ago
"Many comments" (2). Repeating the same lies and misinformation. Most features requiring AST? Really? Codegeneration not possible to implement json decoding? It's just as ridiculous as claims here like V depening on glfw and freetype.
- gingerBill 7y ago
  JSON decoding of the kind you want requires either run time type information or a high level metaprogramming system, of which you store the data for the types in a sort of tree, which you could call a typed abstract syntax tree (typed AST). Stating that V has no dependencies and then requiring dependencies means the original statement is false.
  - amedvednikov 7y ago
    > JSON decoding of the kind you want requires either run time type information No it doesn't. > Stating that V has no dependencies and then requiring dependencies. For the 10th time. THERE ARE NO DEPENDENCIES. You build V with `clang v.c`. Jesus Christ.