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I'm kind of neutral about it but haven't met anyone who said it was good. Seems like people either hate it or don't care about it. There are a lot of people wh

by eknkc 7y ago

I'm kind of neutral about it but haven't met anyone who said it was good. Seems like people either hate it or don't care about it. There are a lot of people who like the butterfly keyboard (apart from reliability) but I thought the sentiment on the touch bar was universal.

stephenr 7y ago
My experience is that when I use the F-keys I'm almost always using the 'default' action on macOS (i.e. not sending a native F12 for example, I'm adjusting volume), and for those tasks the Touch Bar is a little more useful, because it can do more things intuitively, but, I don't do those things a lot. So I don't think it's "not good" it's just so far down on the list of how I use a computer that it isn't worth raving on about how great it is. I did like the IntelliJ integration, to get debug controls, but now that I'm back on a desktop keyboard I don't really miss the Touch Bar. What I miss is Touch ID.
- mastazi 7y ago
  I can imagine a lot of workflows like yours, where the function keys are not very important. However I can’t imagine using a keyboard without Escape key. In my opinion, the touch bar should have been a little bit smaller, and the physical esc key should have stayed. The product linked at the top of this discussion lists the Escape key as one of the main features, I think that’s telling!
  - drclau 7y ago
    I nearly never need Caps Lock, hence I remmapped Esc to Caps Lock. IMO, it is a better position for the Esc key anyway. Top-left is a bit far from everything else anyway. As about Touchbar, I don't find it bad at all, and I'm not neutral either. I do use it, but I think it could be improved both from software and hardware point of view (say, haptic feedback would be nice). Also, I would like to have it on external keyboard too.
bredren 7y ago
Has anyone attempted to copy it? Ie HP or Asus?

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I'm kind of neutral about it but haven't met anyone who said it was good. Seems like people either hate it or don't care about it. There are a lot of people wh

by eknkc 7y ago

stephenr 7y ago
My experience is that when I use the F-keys I'm almost always using the 'default' action on macOS (i.e. not sending a native F12 for example, I'm adjusting volume), and for those tasks the Touch Bar is a little more useful, because it can do more things intuitively, but, I don't do those things a lot. So I don't think it's "not good" it's just so far down on the list of how I use a computer that it isn't worth raving on about how great it is. I did like the IntelliJ integration, to get debug controls, but now that I'm back on a desktop keyboard I don't really miss the Touch Bar. What I miss is Touch ID.
- mastazi 7y ago
  I can imagine a lot of workflows like yours, where the function keys are not very important. However I can’t imagine using a keyboard without Escape key. In my opinion, the touch bar should have been a little bit smaller, and the physical esc key should have stayed. The product linked at the top of this discussion lists the Escape key as one of the main features, I think that’s telling!
  - drclau 7y ago
    I nearly never need Caps Lock, hence I remmapped Esc to Caps Lock. IMO, it is a better position for the Esc key anyway. Top-left is a bit far from everything else anyway. As about Touchbar, I don't find it bad at all, and I'm not neutral either. I do use it, but I think it could be improved both from software and hardware point of view (say, haptic feedback would be nice). Also, I would like to have it on external keyboard too.
bredren 7y ago
Has anyone attempted to copy it? Ie HP or Asus?