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> China is a low trust country. There is a deep culture of fraud and deceit. Is it racism? China is low trust. China cannot innovate. What makes you think so?

Theodores 7y ago
Trust is a two way street, you have to be willing to trust to find trust. HN is not the forum for these types of discussions, there is a moral panic going on though and even the better educated are not immune to it. The same tropes get recycled until things we would never say about most countries are able to be said without supporting facts. As per the comment guidelines some things just need to be flagged rather than flame-discussed. We went through the same phases with Japan, Korea and plenty other places. It is best to see the funny side of it and also tune in to the other side of the story.
- coldtea 7y ago
  >HN is not the forum for these types of discussions, there is a moral panic going on though and even the better educated are not immune to it. It could even be said that the better educated have it worse. At least the less educated are fed some crappy fake news that are easy enough to see through. The better educated are convinced they know the truth because they read fluff pieces in "trusted" newspapers and magazines (e.g. NYT, The Economist) promoting the financial and corporate interests du jour. It's easier to trust this "high end" version of fake news (where the lies are told with nuance, and the pundits have been shown to be worse in predictions than random coin tosses).
tonyedgecombe 7y ago
https://www.transparency.org/country/CHN https://www.transparency.org/country/CHN
- coldtea 7y ago
  A, the kind of "independent" organizations western interests set up to pat themselves on the back?
  - eastendguy 7y ago
    Taiwanese and Hongkongers agree & enjoy their freedom. This "Western..." thing is something that is used often in Chinese PRC propaganda, to discredit free press and the rule of law as "Western" ideas. Yet, China has no problems following the "Western" idea of communism ;-)
    - coldtea 7y ago
      >Yet, China has no problems following the "Western" idea of communism ;-) Well, I couldn't care less what China does. Not to mention that their "idea of communism" has little to do with the indeed western ideas of Marx. As for the "Taiwanese and Hongkongers", those are not the best examples of freedom one could find. One was a dictatorship up until the 90s (under martial law and everything), and the other was under British occupation (with full blown riots against that rule during the 60s and 70s)...
ovi256 7y ago
Here's a study, "The Blue Book of Social Mentality", sponsored by the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, replicating this finding that China is a low-trust society: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2013-02/18/content_16230755.htm http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2013-02/18/content_162307... http://www.ssapchina.com/ssapzx/c_00000009000200010007/ http://www.ssapchina.com/ssapzx/c_00000009000200010007/

Theodores 7y ago

Trust is a two way street, you have to be willing to trust to find trust. HN is not the forum for these types of discussions, there is a moral panic going on though and even the better educated are not immune to it. The same tropes get recycled until things we would never say about most countries are able to be said without supporting facts. As per the comment guidelines some things just need to be flagged rather than flame-discussed. We went through the same phases with Japan, Korea and plenty other places. It is best to see the funny side of it and also tune in to the other side of the story.

coldtea 7y ago
>HN is not the forum for these types of discussions, there is a moral panic going on though and even the better educated are not immune to it. It could even be said that the better educated have it worse. At least the less educated are fed some crappy fake news that are easy enough to see through. The better educated are convinced they know the truth because they read fluff pieces in "trusted" newspapers and magazines (e.g. NYT, The Economist) promoting the financial and corporate interests du jour. It's easier to trust this "high end" version of fake news (where the lies are told with nuance, and the pundits have been shown to be worse in predictions than random coin tosses).

tonyedgecombe 7y ago

https://www.transparency.org/country/CHN https://www.transparency.org/country/CHN

coldtea 7y ago
A, the kind of "independent" organizations western interests set up to pat themselves on the back?
- eastendguy 7y ago
  Taiwanese and Hongkongers agree & enjoy their freedom. This "Western..." thing is something that is used often in Chinese PRC propaganda, to discredit free press and the rule of law as "Western" ideas. Yet, China has no problems following the "Western" idea of communism ;-)
  - coldtea 7y ago
    >Yet, China has no problems following the "Western" idea of communism ;-) Well, I couldn't care less what China does. Not to mention that their "idea of communism" has little to do with the indeed western ideas of Marx. As for the "Taiwanese and Hongkongers", those are not the best examples of freedom one could find. One was a dictatorship up until the 90s (under martial law and everything), and the other was under British occupation (with full blown riots against that rule during the 60s and 70s)...

ovi256 7y ago

Here's a study, "The Blue Book of Social Mentality", sponsored by the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, replicating this finding that China is a low-trust society: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2013-02/18/content_16230755.htm http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2013-02/18/content_162307... http://www.ssapchina.com/ssapzx/c_00000009000200010007/ http://www.ssapchina.com/ssapzx/c_00000009000200010007/