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Why are we comparing Slack to IRC, a product that came out in 1988?

tirpen 7y ago
Why shouldn't we compare them? IRC has probably 95% of the features slack has, is completely free and has been around since 1988. Seems like a logical comparison to make.
- dijit 7y ago
  IRC doesn't have the virtue of having millions of dollars spent on clients for it. And we are comparing a service provider/client/protocol to something that is simply a protocol which is a bit apples to oranges. Assuming the same kind of provider exists in your company (IRC+BNC+searchable logging) and you standardised on something like weechat, then perhaps a comparison could be made. Slack Pros: - Voice/Video chat - slackbot "remind" notifications - Number of highly polished integrations - Rich integrations (button prompts etc) - Webhooks for bot integrations instead of needing to subscribe to RTM - User tags ("out of office" markers, "in meeting" markers) IRC Pros: - Your data doesn't have to leave your site - You can force connections to be on your intra-net - Simple, well understood protocol - Which is open, and not going away - More potential to integrate authentication with your normal authentication provider. - Rich moderation story - Flexibility of client, even if we take weechat as the standard it's still possible to run another. Is this fair? Maybe we should weight how much they're worth. But for sure if IRC had the investment slack had then it wouldn't be "trash", there's work to bring it into 2019 too[0] [0]: https://ircv3.net https://ircv3.net
- WAHa_06x36 7y ago
  IRC is missing a LOT of the features that make Slack actually useable for its purpose. IRC just isn't a replacement for Slack in most situations, due to its lack of things people take absolutely for granted. One massive one being keeping history. Another is not being limited to text only, something people absolutely expect in this day and age.
Kiro 7y ago
It's the pro-IRC crowd's own fault for bringing up IRC as an argument against Slack. They're obviously shooting themselves in the foot though.

Why shouldn't we compare them? IRC has probably 95% of the features slack has, is completely free and has been around since 1988. Seems like a logical comparison to make.

dijit 7y ago
IRC doesn't have the virtue of having millions of dollars spent on clients for it. And we are comparing a service provider/client/protocol to something that is simply a protocol which is a bit apples to oranges. Assuming the same kind of provider exists in your company (IRC+BNC+searchable logging) and you standardised on something like weechat, then perhaps a comparison could be made. Slack Pros: - Voice/Video chat - slackbot "remind" notifications - Number of highly polished integrations - Rich integrations (button prompts etc) - Webhooks for bot integrations instead of needing to subscribe to RTM - User tags ("out of office" markers, "in meeting" markers) IRC Pros: - Your data doesn't have to leave your site - You can force connections to be on your intra-net - Simple, well understood protocol - Which is open, and not going away - More potential to integrate authentication with your normal authentication provider. - Rich moderation story - Flexibility of client, even if we take weechat as the standard it's still possible to run another. Is this fair? Maybe we should weight how much they're worth. But for sure if IRC had the investment slack had then it wouldn't be "trash", there's work to bring it into 2019 too[0] [0]: https://ircv3.net https://ircv3.net
WAHa_06x36 7y ago
IRC is missing a LOT of the features that make Slack actually useable for its purpose. IRC just isn't a replacement for Slack in most situations, due to its lack of things people take absolutely for granted. One massive one being keeping history. Another is not being limited to text only, something people absolutely expect in this day and age.

Kiro 7y ago

It's the pro-IRC crowd's own fault for bringing up IRC as an argument against Slack. They're obviously shooting themselves in the foot though.