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I couldn’t see much code in his github so I assume it’s all smoke and mirrors. How does this even get voted so high here? Just on the claims?

lifthrasiir 7y ago
Because the author is simultaneously working on the Volt IM [1] and the language to make Volt? I can't really say about Volt as I haven't used it, but it is enough to establish that some concrete development is in progress. But you can't really sell an incomplete programming language in this way. [1] https://volt-app.com/ https://volt-app.com/
- noncoml 7y ago
  What does working on multiple projects has to do with code availability?
  - lifthrasiir 7y ago
    Because Volt must have been written in V (please let me know if a counterevidence exists), V must have been at least mature enough to write Volt. I'm pretty sure that V does exist at this stage, but that doesn't convince me that it is viable, nor that it can get that much money.
    - bendmorris 7y ago
      >Because Volt must have been written in V (please let me know if a counterevidence exists) The source of V or any substantial V project haven't been released, and the author making inaccurate claims about the compiler (and taking donations on Patreon, by the way.) Why should we accept without skepticism that (closed source app) was written with (closed source language)?
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      - lifthrasiir 7y ago
        Have you ever analyzed the released Volt binary? It has symbols like this: 000000010001dc30 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_1 000000010001eba0 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_10 00000001000219a0 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_100 [...snip...] 000000010004bae0 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_462 000000010002a430 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_463 0000000100037940 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_464 000000010001f2f0 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_465 0000000100020220 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_47 0000000100020240 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_48 00000001000202b0 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_49 [...snip...] 00000001000182a0 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_add 000000010001a110 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_all_after 000000010001a020 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_all_before 000000010001a090 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_all_before_last 0000000100019ef0 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_at 0000000100018540 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_clone 0000000100018aa0 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_contains 0000000100018610 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_cstr 0000000100019470 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_ends_with 0000000100018b30 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_eq While you can always mangle symbols, it is strange that i) every symbol is in public and ii) only some of them are mangled. Therefore I think the binary was probably produced by V's C transpiler, with some V standard library functions slapped on them. (I had to rewrite the reply because I later realized that the binary was packed with UPX, I should have thoroughly inspected strings. Sorry for inconvenience.)
esimov 7y ago
yeh, smoke and mirrors. Checking all the websites the author is maintaining, the focus is on Patreon support, much less on real development and commitment. I'm also intrigued why such projects (which does not have any code openly available behind) are so high rated. I assume because many github users does not take the effort to see behind.
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lifthrasiir 7y ago

Because the author is simultaneously working on the Volt IM [1] and the language to make Volt? I can't really say about Volt as I haven't used it, but it is enough to establish that some concrete development is in progress. But you can't really sell an incomplete programming language in this way. [1] https://volt-app.com/ https://volt-app.com/

noncoml 7y ago
What does working on multiple projects has to do with code availability?
- lifthrasiir 7y ago
  Because Volt must have been written in V (please let me know if a counterevidence exists), V must have been at least mature enough to write Volt. I'm pretty sure that V does exist at this stage, but that doesn't convince me that it is viable, nor that it can get that much money.
  - bendmorris 7y ago
    >Because Volt must have been written in V (please let me know if a counterevidence exists) The source of V or any substantial V project haven't been released, and the author making inaccurate claims about the compiler (and taking donations on Patreon, by the way.) Why should we accept without skepticism that (closed source app) was written with (closed source language)?
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    - lifthrasiir 7y ago
      Have you ever analyzed the released Volt binary? It has symbols like this: 000000010001dc30 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_1 000000010001eba0 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_10 00000001000219a0 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_100 [...snip...] 000000010004bae0 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_462 000000010002a430 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_463 0000000100037940 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_464 000000010001f2f0 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_465 0000000100020220 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_47 0000000100020240 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_48 00000001000202b0 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_49 [...snip...] 00000001000182a0 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_add 000000010001a110 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_all_after 000000010001a020 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_all_before 000000010001a090 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_all_before_last 0000000100019ef0 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_at 0000000100018540 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_clone 0000000100018aa0 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_contains 0000000100018610 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_cstr 0000000100019470 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_ends_with 0000000100018b30 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_eq While you can always mangle symbols, it is strange that i) every symbol is in public and ii) only some of them are mangled. Therefore I think the binary was probably produced by V's C transpiler, with some V standard library functions slapped on them. (I had to rewrite the reply because I later realized that the binary was packed with UPX, I should have thoroughly inspected strings. Sorry for inconvenience.)

esimov 7y ago

yeh, smoke and mirrors. Checking all the websites the author is maintaining, the focus is on Patreon support, much less on real development and commitment. I'm also intrigued why such projects (which does not have any code openly available behind) are so high rated. I assume because many github users does not take the effort to see behind.

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