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This guy is a complete fraud. He's collecting $927/month on Patreon by deceiving generous and hopeful programmers. The claims on the web page are outright lies.

This guy is a complete fraud. He's collecting $927/month on Patreon by deceiving generous and hopeful programmers. The claims on the web page are outright lies. ---- README.txt: Right now there are several dependencies that you need to install: clang, glfw, freetype, libcurl. web page claim: 400 KB compiler with zero dependencies README.txt: Missing features that will be available soon: x64 machine code generation without a C compiler web page claim: V compiles ≈1.2 million lines of code per second per CPU core. (Intel i5-7500 @ 3.40GHz, SM0256L SSD, no optimization). Such speed is achieved by direct machine code generation and a strong modularity. README.txt: Missing features that will be available soon: hot code reloading web page claim: Hot code reloading. Get your changes instantly without recompiling. README.txt: Missing features that will be available soon: REPL web page claim: V has a REPL README.txt: Missing features that will be available soon: cross compiling web page claim: Easy cross compilation. To cross compile your software simply run v -os windows . or v -os linux . No extra steps required, even for GUI and graphical apps! --- Furthermore it's really shady to release only closed source builds 2 days before a source release. Why the sudden change of mind? https://twitter.com/v_language/status/1137750611389288450 https://twitter.com/v_language/status/1137750611389288450 There's evidence that this person cannot be trusted: https://github.com/voltapp/volt/issues/143 https://github.com/voltapp/volt/issues/143 Some quotes from that issue: "Do you go read firefox history?" "Yea, this is really unnerving. I feel like I need to invalidate all my firefox sessions now. What did you do?" "Lol that's what you guys get for running proprietary software." More evidence of false claims: https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/35 https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/35 I'm all on board with friendly competition, but this is pretty hostile behavior to the open-source community. Be honest about what your software can and cannot do. And release source or GTFO.

lifthrasiir 7y ago
> He's collecting $927/month on Patreon by deceiving generous and hopeful programmers. Oh my. This is alarming. I have never thought that the author was already getting that much money out of this incomplete piece of software.
- AndyKelley 7y ago
  He's up to 56% of the income I make on Patreon for Zig, and I've been busting my ass for years, working on solving a lot of the same problems, except it's been open source the whole time, and I only ever put claims on ziglang.org that describe actual status quo available software. It's really disheartening that such dishonest tactics are so effective.
  - noncoml 7y ago
    Don’t get disheartened. You are writing actual software. He is a scam artist.
  - esimov 7y ago
    So true... I'm also thinking what's the point to open source under the umbrella of this V programming language something that is no more than a couple of examples.
- noncoml 7y ago
  I couldn’t see much code in his github so I assume it’s all smoke and mirrors. How does this even get voted so high here? Just on the claims?
  - lifthrasiir 7y ago
    Because the author is simultaneously working on the Volt IM [1] and the language to make Volt? I can't really say about Volt as I haven't used it, but it is enough to establish that some concrete development is in progress. But you can't really sell an incomplete programming language in this way. [1] https://volt-app.com/ https://volt-app.com/
    - noncoml 7y ago
      What does working on multiple projects has to do with code availability?
      - 7y ago
scriptsmith 7y ago
Yes, I was first interested in his stuff when he announced the perpetually "coming soon" Volt last year. Disregard the dates, deadlines, and promises for this project.
chombier 7y ago
I wonder what will happen on the day he's supposed to open-source this thing. Delete everything and run away with the money? Kick down the can and delay source release once more? Apologies? ("but but it's pre-alpha software!")
- kingkong2022 7y ago
  Everytime the pre-alpha nature of V has been talked about, he has been very defensive and repeatedly says the same thing that he has already written over 1,00,000 LOC in V, and he has demos of hcr and whatever on the website, so things do work. It just has a few issues which will be fixed soon.
- ConsoleTVs 7y ago
  The release was supposed to be today. Few hours ago was changed to 2 more days.
  - amedvednikov 7y ago
    And here's why: https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/287 https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/287
- amedvednikov 7y ago
  I wonder what you will say on June 22. Delete everything?
kingkong2022 7y ago
Exactly. Does patreon have a mechanism for reporting such things? Edit: https://support.patreon.com/hc/en-us/articles/204914235-How-do-I-report-content-that-violates-community-guidelines- https://support.patreon.com/hc/en-us/articles/204914235-How-... People with patreon accounts should report this guy.
amedvednikov 7y ago
Wow, calling me a fraud and a scam artist based on these "facts"?.. The compiler has ZERO dependencies, as stated on the website. You can build it with `clang v.c`. Do you really think the compiler needs glfw or freetype to function? It's for the graphics library to build things like the tetris.v example. As for clang, It was made very clear that V compiles to C in addition to emitting native code, and that it's much more stable at the moment. Hot code reloading will be available on June 22. Cross compiling already works, and you saw this on twitter. How can you claim it's a lie? https://twitter.com/v_language/status/1137537130887077890 https://twitter.com/v_language/status/1137537130887077890
- kingkong2022 7y ago
  > Do you really think the compiler needs glfw or freetype to function? It's for the graphics library to build things like the tetris.v example. Do you ship the compiler with those libraries that require those packages? If yes, then the compiler is not 400kb. The compiler nowadays never means only the compiler executable, it means the complete environment it ships with.
  - amedvednikov 7y ago
    The V compiler is the program that builds source in V. It has zero dependencies, and that's the claim. The modules can have gigabytes of dependencies, this doesn't make the compiler depend on them.
    - kingkong2022 7y ago
      lol. Why don't you also subtract the size of the stdlib from that. Or have you already done it. I assume the compiler does not require the stdlib to build an empty V file? Then congrats you just reduced the size of the compiler some more.
      - amedvednikov 7y ago
        Where am I subtracting it?
gingerBill 7y ago
I originally did not call this project as fraudulent rather "This is not as advertised" which talked about here: https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/35 https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/35 Note: some of the comments on that issue have been deleted by the v-lang creator as they were criticizing the claims made. However, advertising a product can do something and then releasing it stating it cannot do it yet, is one thing, but accepting money for a product that does not what is advertised, is fraud. If the features were advertised as goals, that would not have been an issue. But these features were advertised as existing and ready to use. Please do not give this individual money!!! ----- If you want to support new languages that do as advertised, please support my language Odin or Andrew Kelley's language Zig. Both are very good languages as alternatives to C but with different philosophies behind them. Odin: https://odin-lang.org/ https://odin-lang.org/ Zig: https://ziglang.org/ https://ziglang.org/
- amedvednikov 7y ago
  Classic.
  - gingerBill 7y ago
    Stop advertising your language as being more capable than it is. That is the only complaint. You are advertising under false pretenses and asking for money for early access to a product (through Patreon) which does match what is advertised.
    - amedvednikov 7y ago
      First of all the language is released on June 22. It was released today for 7 hours. There's no more early access. Second of all, you haven't listed any of these "false pretenses". Your AST and runtime points are laughable. So is the "dependency" on glfw and freetype.
    - amedvednikov 7y ago
      By the way, you claimed V was too primitive to build anything other than Fibonacci. What about this? :) https://vlang.io/img/buildv.mp4 https://vlang.io/img/buildv.mp4 Are you going to retract your statement and apologize? Doubt it.
ryuukk_ 7y ago
he's getting that much money because his project looks interesting, that is what most developpers want, so they are willing to take the risk now other language designers need to learn from this project keep your language simple, keep dependency list tiny, make clean syntax, focus on efficiency and small file size, and you win patrons but people often then bloat their project, with uneeded features, that makes language harder to read, and harder for tooling to support it edit: i love Zig, i'm not using it, but i plan to once package manager is ready and vscode plugin with autocomplete and debugging is available please make it happen, open bounties if you can't
- fredsanford 7y ago
  This smells very much like a sockpuppet...
  - ryuukk_ 7y ago
    im here https://github.com/ryuukk/ https://github.com/ryuukk/ open an issue wherever u want i'll reply
ajmmertens 7y ago
Is it faster than Y? https://github.com/SanderMertens/y https://github.com/SanderMertens/y

lifthrasiir 7y ago

> He's collecting $927/month on Patreon by deceiving generous and hopeful programmers. Oh my. This is alarming. I have never thought that the author was already getting that much money out of this incomplete piece of software.

AndyKelley 7y ago
He's up to 56% of the income I make on Patreon for Zig, and I've been busting my ass for years, working on solving a lot of the same problems, except it's been open source the whole time, and I only ever put claims on ziglang.org that describe actual status quo available software. It's really disheartening that such dishonest tactics are so effective.
- noncoml 7y ago
  Don’t get disheartened. You are writing actual software. He is a scam artist.
- esimov 7y ago
  So true... I'm also thinking what's the point to open source under the umbrella of this V programming language something that is no more than a couple of examples.
noncoml 7y ago
I couldn’t see much code in his github so I assume it’s all smoke and mirrors. How does this even get voted so high here? Just on the claims?
- lifthrasiir 7y ago
  Because the author is simultaneously working on the Volt IM [1] and the language to make Volt? I can't really say about Volt as I haven't used it, but it is enough to establish that some concrete development is in progress. But you can't really sell an incomplete programming language in this way. [1] https://volt-app.com/ https://volt-app.com/
  - noncoml 7y ago
    What does working on multiple projects has to do with code availability?
    - 7y ago

scriptsmith 7y ago

Yes, I was first interested in his stuff when he announced the perpetually "coming soon" Volt last year. Disregard the dates, deadlines, and promises for this project.

chombier 7y ago

I wonder what will happen on the day he's supposed to open-source this thing. Delete everything and run away with the money? Kick down the can and delay source release once more? Apologies? ("but but it's pre-alpha software!")

kingkong2022 7y ago
Everytime the pre-alpha nature of V has been talked about, he has been very defensive and repeatedly says the same thing that he has already written over 1,00,000 LOC in V, and he has demos of hcr and whatever on the website, so things do work. It just has a few issues which will be fixed soon.
ConsoleTVs 7y ago
The release was supposed to be today. Few hours ago was changed to 2 more days.
- amedvednikov 7y ago
  And here's why: https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/287 https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/287
amedvednikov 7y ago
I wonder what you will say on June 22. Delete everything?

kingkong2022 7y ago

Exactly. Does patreon have a mechanism for reporting such things? Edit: https://support.patreon.com/hc/en-us/articles/204914235-How-do-I-report-content-that-violates-community-guidelines- https://support.patreon.com/hc/en-us/articles/204914235-How-... People with patreon accounts should report this guy.

amedvednikov 7y ago

Wow, calling me a fraud and a scam artist based on these "facts"?.. The compiler has ZERO dependencies, as stated on the website. You can build it with `clang v.c`. Do you really think the compiler needs glfw or freetype to function? It's for the graphics library to build things like the tetris.v example. As for clang, It was made very clear that V compiles to C in addition to emitting native code, and that it's much more stable at the moment. Hot code reloading will be available on June 22. Cross compiling already works, and you saw this on twitter. How can you claim it's a lie? https://twitter.com/v_language/status/1137537130887077890 https://twitter.com/v_language/status/1137537130887077890

kingkong2022 7y ago
> Do you really think the compiler needs glfw or freetype to function? It's for the graphics library to build things like the tetris.v example. Do you ship the compiler with those libraries that require those packages? If yes, then the compiler is not 400kb. The compiler nowadays never means only the compiler executable, it means the complete environment it ships with.
- amedvednikov 7y ago
  The V compiler is the program that builds source in V. It has zero dependencies, and that's the claim. The modules can have gigabytes of dependencies, this doesn't make the compiler depend on them.
  - kingkong2022 7y ago
    lol. Why don't you also subtract the size of the stdlib from that. Or have you already done it. I assume the compiler does not require the stdlib to build an empty V file? Then congrats you just reduced the size of the compiler some more.
    - amedvednikov 7y ago
      Where am I subtracting it?

gingerBill 7y ago

I originally did not call this project as fraudulent rather "This is not as advertised" which talked about here: https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/35 https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/35 Note: some of the comments on that issue have been deleted by the v-lang creator as they were criticizing the claims made. However, advertising a product can do something and then releasing it stating it cannot do it yet, is one thing, but accepting money for a product that does not what is advertised, is fraud. If the features were advertised as goals, that would not have been an issue. But these features were advertised as existing and ready to use. Please do not give this individual money!!! ----- If you want to support new languages that do as advertised, please support my language Odin or Andrew Kelley's language Zig. Both are very good languages as alternatives to C but with different philosophies behind them. Odin: https://odin-lang.org/ https://odin-lang.org/ Zig: https://ziglang.org/ https://ziglang.org/

amedvednikov 7y ago
Classic.
- gingerBill 7y ago
  Stop advertising your language as being more capable than it is. That is the only complaint. You are advertising under false pretenses and asking for money for early access to a product (through Patreon) which does match what is advertised.
  - amedvednikov 7y ago
    First of all the language is released on June 22. It was released today for 7 hours. There's no more early access. Second of all, you haven't listed any of these "false pretenses". Your AST and runtime points are laughable. So is the "dependency" on glfw and freetype.
  - amedvednikov 7y ago
    By the way, you claimed V was too primitive to build anything other than Fibonacci. What about this? :) https://vlang.io/img/buildv.mp4 https://vlang.io/img/buildv.mp4 Are you going to retract your statement and apologize? Doubt it.

ryuukk_ 7y ago

he's getting that much money because his project looks interesting, that is what most developpers want, so they are willing to take the risk now other language designers need to learn from this project keep your language simple, keep dependency list tiny, make clean syntax, focus on efficiency and small file size, and you win patrons but people often then bloat their project, with uneeded features, that makes language harder to read, and harder for tooling to support it edit: i love Zig, i'm not using it, but i plan to once package manager is ready and vscode plugin with autocomplete and debugging is available please make it happen, open bounties if you can't

fredsanford 7y ago
This smells very much like a sockpuppet...
- ryuukk_ 7y ago
  im here https://github.com/ryuukk/ https://github.com/ryuukk/ open an issue wherever u want i'll reply

ajmmertens 7y ago

Is it faster than Y? https://github.com/SanderMertens/y https://github.com/SanderMertens/y