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Slack and IRC are incomparable. Slack has authentication, message retention and search, multimedia attachments, mobile application with notifications, conversat

Slack and IRC are incomparable. Slack has authentication, message retention and search, multimedia attachments, mobile application with notifications, conversation threads, etc. You could try and cobble together something similar from an IRC server plus ten different programs, but most companie would rather pay Slack a wee amount than maintain a Frankenstein's monster.

kuschku 7y ago
Except for message retention and search, IRC already has all that, and even that is possible with bouncers. Mobile applications with notifications, conversation threads with +draft/reply (IRCv3 draft), multimedia attachments (IRCv3 idea), authentication with SASL and standardized account management (IRCv3 draft), etc. Look at what IRCCloud provides, and what IRCv3 is doing.
- oblio 7y ago
  > Except for ##2 killer features##, IRC already has all that, and even that is possible ##if you implement it yourself##. That's what normal people see when they read your message.
  - kuschku 7y ago
    Going to irccloud.com, creating an account, and connecting is "implementing it yourself" how again? And IRCCloud has all that in a single solution. Even if you want to self-host, there are solutions — get any server, run docker run \ -v /path/to/folder/where/you/want/to/store/the/config:/config \ k8r.eu/justjanne/quassel-docker:v0.13.1 and connect with quassel or quasseldroid to that server (the setup wizard guides you through everything else). It's about as simple as it can get for selfhosted. (Quassel gets you message retention and search immediately, and the other features are already being worked on).
    - oblio 7y ago
      Well, irccloud.com must be doing something wrong if they're using a pre-existing protocol, have solved its problems and yet Slack is the company worth billions.
      - kuschku 7y ago
        That’s the part where VC money comes in. 99% of the VC funded companies worth billions weren’t the first, or the best — they just managed to get VC money and out-spent everyone else on advertising, or used the money to give away their product until they were the largest. Uber is still making losses in almost all markets it’s active in. Slack is making a 380'000 $ loss per day. Amazon hasn’t made a profit a single time in their entire history. The Silicon Valley model of "let’s gain a monopoly by giving away a product and outspending everyone on advertising, then monetizing it" doesn’t reward the best product. Never has, never will. And companies grown the traditional, honest way, making actual profits of course can’t compete with that. If I opened up a supermarket giving away everything for free, of course I’d have more customers than the supermarkets who have to make money.
        oblio 7y ago
        Amazon has made a tiny profit for several years before AWS, when it started having larger ones. But it was never too much in the red. It shouldn't be placed together with Uber.
- tom_ 7y ago
  "Except for message retention and search"

kuschku 7y ago

Except for message retention and search, IRC already has all that, and even that is possible with bouncers. Mobile applications with notifications, conversation threads with +draft/reply (IRCv3 draft), multimedia attachments (IRCv3 idea), authentication with SASL and standardized account management (IRCv3 draft), etc. Look at what IRCCloud provides, and what IRCv3 is doing.

oblio 7y ago
> Except for ##2 killer features##, IRC already has all that, and even that is possible ##if you implement it yourself##. That's what normal people see when they read your message.
- kuschku 7y ago
  Going to irccloud.com, creating an account, and connecting is "implementing it yourself" how again? And IRCCloud has all that in a single solution. Even if you want to self-host, there are solutions — get any server, run docker run \ -v /path/to/folder/where/you/want/to/store/the/config:/config \ k8r.eu/justjanne/quassel-docker:v0.13.1 and connect with quassel or quasseldroid to that server (the setup wizard guides you through everything else). It's about as simple as it can get for selfhosted. (Quassel gets you message retention and search immediately, and the other features are already being worked on).
  - oblio 7y ago
    Well, irccloud.com must be doing something wrong if they're using a pre-existing protocol, have solved its problems and yet Slack is the company worth billions.
    - kuschku 7y ago
      That’s the part where VC money comes in. 99% of the VC funded companies worth billions weren’t the first, or the best — they just managed to get VC money and out-spent everyone else on advertising, or used the money to give away their product until they were the largest. Uber is still making losses in almost all markets it’s active in. Slack is making a 380'000 $ loss per day. Amazon hasn’t made a profit a single time in their entire history. The Silicon Valley model of "let’s gain a monopoly by giving away a product and outspending everyone on advertising, then monetizing it" doesn’t reward the best product. Never has, never will. And companies grown the traditional, honest way, making actual profits of course can’t compete with that. If I opened up a supermarket giving away everything for free, of course I’d have more customers than the supermarkets who have to make money.
      - oblio 7y ago
        Amazon has made a tiny profit for several years before AWS, when it started having larger ones. But it was never too much in the red. It shouldn't be placed together with Uber.
tom_ 7y ago
"Except for message retention and search"