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No one else has workers that work for a pittance and have an average IQ of 100... and are willing to work very long hours. It will cost money and probably quali

No one else has workers that work for a pittance and have an average IQ of 100... and are willing to work very long hours. It will cost money and probably quality to move this anywhere else without paying a lot more for the same thing. Apple has put over a hundred billion into its pocket on the back of these works, now let's cut them loose and pay someone else the money you "saved" to do the same thing for more.

hdfbdtbcdg 7y ago
> have an average IQ of 100... I am going to assume good faith. 100 is the definition of average IQ.
- yorwba 7y ago
  IQ is influenced by education. An illiterate farmer is likely to score worse on an IQ test than someone with a high-school education. If you do transnational IQ studies, you can still calibrate the test to give an average of 100, but countries where the population consists mostly of illiterate farmers are going to have a lower average than countries where almost everyone went to school. That does mean that 100 is a somewhat arbitrary cutoff to require. A better criterion would be what percentage of the population has the education necessary to retrain for a manufacturing job quickly.
  - rswail 7y ago
    By definition, IQ averages 100 across a population. What you are talking about is how people respond to IQ testing which is inherently culturally biased.
    - yorwba 7y ago
      For any particular IQ test, there can only be one population for which it is perfectly calibrated to yield an average of 100. Other populations e.g. in different countries will have different averages. And of course the whole point of IQ tests is to be culturally biased, since it's about performing well on a particular set of tasks at the exclusion of others. If the illiterate farmer wanted to find out how smart someone is, they'd probably use completely different criteria.
reaperducer 7y ago
No one else has workers that work for a pittance Africa. Bangladesh. Haiti. India(?) Look for where the clothing manufacturers have moved. Most people who can be trained to run a stitching machine can be trained to work on an electronics assembly line.
- devoply 7y ago
  If that were true then why are they all in East Asia, all with people around 100 IQ?
  - nine_k 7y ago
    I think it's mostly investment in education. Certain cultures value education more than others. Certain states enforce more challenging and advanced curricula than others.
- acchow 7y ago
  You dropped GP's criterion of IQ. According to worlddata.info, the average IQ in Bangladesh is 77. India is 81.
- gingabriska 7y ago
  I've been to China and lived there for 5 years and now living in India for 3 years. The infrastructure scale in China is huge. Even in small towns electricity is offered 24/7. In India even in the largest cities there is constant load shedding, power cuts often 1 or 2 hours daily. Internet is slower in India, heck you can't find screws for sales on Amazon India and in china even in the smallest towns, I saw speciality stores at every few kilometres who stocked every kind of screws. India might be able to compete in terms of population but it's decades behind china in infrastructure. No disrespect to India but I am afraid till India has insane custom duties on foreign imported products, Indian talent will have a self imposed ceiling. In Chinese market, you can find quality German tools but in Indian market, even tools are hard to find, I've no idea how makers deal with this shit here. If I had to tweak one policy in India, I'd remove all custom duties so that youth is able to import quality tools and inputs from abroad and is able to produce quality output from that. India limits what you can import and puts tariff on that, this results in using shoddy input for manufacturing resulting in shoddy output. Garbage in garbage out. Talent is crushed before kt gets a chance to blossom. And whatever companies product in India do not sell buy export their stuff to other rich countries and domestic market is kinda empty.
ZhuanXia 7y ago
China’s average IQ is 105 to 107. Even if you think their factory workers are below average they are probably higher than 100.
- eloff 7y ago
  But is this real IQ or fudged Chinese numbers like their GDP growth? One must examine the source.
  - ggreer 7y ago
    105-107 is probably a little high, but the real number is likely above 100. If mainland China is fudging the numbers, then Macau & Hong Kong are as well. Their PISA scores are all pretty close.[1] 1. http://www.unz.com/akarlin/world-map-of-pisa-2015-results/ http://www.unz.com/akarlin/world-map-of-pisa-2015-results/
    - learc83 7y ago
      PISA scores are controversial to use as a comparison between countries. And yes China, Macau, and Hong Kong are likely using some creative strategies to boost their scores. "This year, Chinese administrators chose their students from a group of cities and regions aptly named B-S-J-G, after Beijing, a province-level municipality, Jiangsu, a province on the eastern coast of the country, Guangdong, a southern coastal province, and Shanghai, a province-level municipality. Previously, Chinese authorities had chosen Shanghai as mainland China’s sole representative, whose students finished at the top of all three subject areas in both the previous two PISA studies in 2012 and 2009. Now, if all countries were to take this approach, we would see London selected to be the sole representative of Britain, or Boston and its suburbs representing the U.S. This year, in fact, saw a separate score calculated for Massachusetts, which if taken as the nation’s results, would grab the top spot in reading with eight other nations, 2nd place in science with ten other nations, and 12th in math. If we dig deeper into the sampling, we come across another potential problem with the PISA testing: that the sampling done on mainland China (Beijing, Jiangsu, Guangdong and Shanghai) and other cities was not taken from a wide variety of schools. Rather, the very best schools were chosen and the very best students were cherry-picked from those schools." https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2017/01/04/are-the-pisa-education-results-rigged/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2017/01/04/are-the-pis...
discordance 7y ago
High IQ is probably a contributing reason there are nets around most manufacturing plants in Shenzhen. If you <insert screw here> all day, low IQ might be a good thing.

hdfbdtbcdg 7y ago

> have an average IQ of 100... I am going to assume good faith. 100 is the definition of average IQ.

yorwba 7y ago
IQ is influenced by education. An illiterate farmer is likely to score worse on an IQ test than someone with a high-school education. If you do transnational IQ studies, you can still calibrate the test to give an average of 100, but countries where the population consists mostly of illiterate farmers are going to have a lower average than countries where almost everyone went to school. That does mean that 100 is a somewhat arbitrary cutoff to require. A better criterion would be what percentage of the population has the education necessary to retrain for a manufacturing job quickly.
- rswail 7y ago
  By definition, IQ averages 100 across a population. What you are talking about is how people respond to IQ testing which is inherently culturally biased.
  - yorwba 7y ago
    For any particular IQ test, there can only be one population for which it is perfectly calibrated to yield an average of 100. Other populations e.g. in different countries will have different averages. And of course the whole point of IQ tests is to be culturally biased, since it's about performing well on a particular set of tasks at the exclusion of others. If the illiterate farmer wanted to find out how smart someone is, they'd probably use completely different criteria.

reaperducer 7y ago

No one else has workers that work for a pittance Africa. Bangladesh. Haiti. India(?) Look for where the clothing manufacturers have moved. Most people who can be trained to run a stitching machine can be trained to work on an electronics assembly line.

devoply 7y ago
If that were true then why are they all in East Asia, all with people around 100 IQ?
- nine_k 7y ago
  I think it's mostly investment in education. Certain cultures value education more than others. Certain states enforce more challenging and advanced curricula than others.
acchow 7y ago
You dropped GP's criterion of IQ. According to worlddata.info, the average IQ in Bangladesh is 77. India is 81.
gingabriska 7y ago
I've been to China and lived there for 5 years and now living in India for 3 years. The infrastructure scale in China is huge. Even in small towns electricity is offered 24/7. In India even in the largest cities there is constant load shedding, power cuts often 1 or 2 hours daily. Internet is slower in India, heck you can't find screws for sales on Amazon India and in china even in the smallest towns, I saw speciality stores at every few kilometres who stocked every kind of screws. India might be able to compete in terms of population but it's decades behind china in infrastructure. No disrespect to India but I am afraid till India has insane custom duties on foreign imported products, Indian talent will have a self imposed ceiling. In Chinese market, you can find quality German tools but in Indian market, even tools are hard to find, I've no idea how makers deal with this shit here. If I had to tweak one policy in India, I'd remove all custom duties so that youth is able to import quality tools and inputs from abroad and is able to produce quality output from that. India limits what you can import and puts tariff on that, this results in using shoddy input for manufacturing resulting in shoddy output. Garbage in garbage out. Talent is crushed before kt gets a chance to blossom. And whatever companies product in India do not sell buy export their stuff to other rich countries and domestic market is kinda empty.

ZhuanXia 7y ago

China’s average IQ is 105 to 107. Even if you think their factory workers are below average they are probably higher than 100.

eloff 7y ago
But is this real IQ or fudged Chinese numbers like their GDP growth? One must examine the source.
- ggreer 7y ago
  105-107 is probably a little high, but the real number is likely above 100. If mainland China is fudging the numbers, then Macau & Hong Kong are as well. Their PISA scores are all pretty close.[1] 1. http://www.unz.com/akarlin/world-map-of-pisa-2015-results/ http://www.unz.com/akarlin/world-map-of-pisa-2015-results/
  - learc83 7y ago
    PISA scores are controversial to use as a comparison between countries. And yes China, Macau, and Hong Kong are likely using some creative strategies to boost their scores. "This year, Chinese administrators chose their students from a group of cities and regions aptly named B-S-J-G, after Beijing, a province-level municipality, Jiangsu, a province on the eastern coast of the country, Guangdong, a southern coastal province, and Shanghai, a province-level municipality. Previously, Chinese authorities had chosen Shanghai as mainland China’s sole representative, whose students finished at the top of all three subject areas in both the previous two PISA studies in 2012 and 2009. Now, if all countries were to take this approach, we would see London selected to be the sole representative of Britain, or Boston and its suburbs representing the U.S. This year, in fact, saw a separate score calculated for Massachusetts, which if taken as the nation’s results, would grab the top spot in reading with eight other nations, 2nd place in science with ten other nations, and 12th in math. If we dig deeper into the sampling, we come across another potential problem with the PISA testing: that the sampling done on mainland China (Beijing, Jiangsu, Guangdong and Shanghai) and other cities was not taken from a wide variety of schools. Rather, the very best schools were chosen and the very best students were cherry-picked from those schools." https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2017/01/04/are-the-pisa-education-results-rigged/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2017/01/04/are-the-pis...

discordance 7y ago

High IQ is probably a contributing reason there are nets around most manufacturing plants in Shenzhen. If you <insert screw here> all day, low IQ might be a good thing.