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I’m envisioning an outcome beyond the article. Labor costs are higher in the U.S.A. to be sure but I wonder how much of a difference it ultimately is if you loo

by Mtinie 7y ago

I’m envisioning an outcome beyond the article. Labor costs are higher in the U.S.A. to be sure but I wonder how much of a difference it ultimately is if you look at the related costs/benefits. I can think of a couple of reasons it is worth considering: - Distribution and Shipping efficiencies - Higher levels of productivity and training efficacy - Nationalistic sentiment and contra-beneficial protectionism

cududa 7y ago
When you have to ship in 100 parts to make the phone that shipping efficiency disappears. They do just fine taking in shipments of their phones at 3 hubs and getting them all over the country. “National sentiment” isn’t going to lower wages to $2/hr
- reaperducer 7y ago
  When you have to ship in 100 parts to make the phone that shipping efficiency disappears. The auto manufacturers make it work. Japanese, German, and Korean car makers all have factories in the U.S.
  - cududa 7y ago
    There’s a difference when most all the parts are manufactured within 2km of the production facility
obtino 7y ago
When they started building the current Mac Pro in the USA, they couldn't find the correct screws for a particular component. When they eventually found a supplier who could deliver something that was close to spec, the owner of the factory hand-delivered it to them over 22 trips in his Lexus: https://9to5mac.com/2019/01/28/apple-mac-pro-screwed/ https://9to5mac.com/2019/01/28/apple-mac-pro-screwed/ You won't be facing these kinds of delays in China.
- reaperducer 7y ago
  You won't be facing these kinds of delays in China. On day one, China has this advantage. But on day 300? It's not like there is no company in the United States That can ever make the matching screw.
  - crdoconnor 7y ago
    It's probably a lot more than 300 and China can turn off the tap on day one.
  - pinkfoot 7y ago
    Its not just the capacity to make a screw - its the contract with Apple that they will buy it once your investors have started paying for the company to make it. Good luck merely getting registered as a new vendor for anything a multinational company makes. Let alone winning a tender.
- Fjolsvith 7y ago
  I groaned at this. Purchased a Chinese made lawn mower engine and the bolts for it weren't long enough to mount it in my mower. So, I went looking for longer bolts. Turned out that the Chinese bolts weren't Metric or SAE. Totally nonstandard junk.
cycrutchfield 7y ago
>I’m envisioning an outcome beyond the article. Also known as speculative wishful thinking
- Mtinie 7y ago
  It’s hard to have something happen without first imagining how and why it would work. Is there something wrong with that if you also are aware of The existing problems and future pitfalls? I’m not blind to the challenges but also expect the current economic and political situations aren’t going to just go away over night. This will make decisions which make not make sense today potentially more attractive in the future.
  - cycrutchfield 7y ago
    Leave the speculation to the actual economists. By the way, they are all almost unanimous that protectionist tariffs to prop up domestic manufacturing is an awful idea.

by Mtinie 7y ago

cududa 7y ago

When you have to ship in 100 parts to make the phone that shipping efficiency disappears. They do just fine taking in shipments of their phones at 3 hubs and getting them all over the country. “National sentiment” isn’t going to lower wages to $2/hr

reaperducer 7y ago
When you have to ship in 100 parts to make the phone that shipping efficiency disappears. The auto manufacturers make it work. Japanese, German, and Korean car makers all have factories in the U.S.
- cududa 7y ago
  There’s a difference when most all the parts are manufactured within 2km of the production facility

obtino 7y ago

When they started building the current Mac Pro in the USA, they couldn't find the correct screws for a particular component. When they eventually found a supplier who could deliver something that was close to spec, the owner of the factory hand-delivered it to them over 22 trips in his Lexus: https://9to5mac.com/2019/01/28/apple-mac-pro-screwed/ https://9to5mac.com/2019/01/28/apple-mac-pro-screwed/ You won't be facing these kinds of delays in China.

reaperducer 7y ago
You won't be facing these kinds of delays in China. On day one, China has this advantage. But on day 300? It's not like there is no company in the United States That can ever make the matching screw.
- crdoconnor 7y ago
  It's probably a lot more than 300 and China can turn off the tap on day one.
- pinkfoot 7y ago
  Its not just the capacity to make a screw - its the contract with Apple that they will buy it once your investors have started paying for the company to make it. Good luck merely getting registered as a new vendor for anything a multinational company makes. Let alone winning a tender.
Fjolsvith 7y ago
I groaned at this. Purchased a Chinese made lawn mower engine and the bolts for it weren't long enough to mount it in my mower. So, I went looking for longer bolts. Turned out that the Chinese bolts weren't Metric or SAE. Totally nonstandard junk.

cycrutchfield 7y ago

>I’m envisioning an outcome beyond the article. Also known as speculative wishful thinking

Mtinie 7y ago
It’s hard to have something happen without first imagining how and why it would work. Is there something wrong with that if you also are aware of The existing problems and future pitfalls? I’m not blind to the challenges but also expect the current economic and political situations aren’t going to just go away over night. This will make decisions which make not make sense today potentially more attractive in the future.
- cycrutchfield 7y ago
  Leave the speculation to the actual economists. By the way, they are all almost unanimous that protectionist tariffs to prop up domestic manufacturing is an awful idea.