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Yes and no. Yes, because it directly affects the business of large outsourcing companies. It also drops remittances, one of the largest sources of dollars for
by NTDF9 7y ago
Yes and no.
Yes, because it directly affects the business of large outsourcing companies. It also drops remittances, one of the largest sources of dollars for India.
No, because for many decades, India has been trying to keep their smartest citizens to build their own country. Making local companies, serving at local hospitals, teaching at local schools and universities. They want their own Google, Microsoft, Sun Microsystems, Adobe instead of Indian citizens working in the US for US corporations. They were just unsuccessful for so many years because countries like US drained the well-educated so much.
Ultimately, this will be a great deal for India. India doesn't want remittances. They want their own companies to make software that the world wants to buy.
- darklajid 7y agoHelp me understand the first part. Why do you need a US visa (well, THAT visa - I understand a 'fly over for a meeting' visiting visa) as an outsourcing company? What I mean is: How are the outsourcing companies affected by this?
- kinkrtyavimoodh 7y agoA lot of these companies routinely send workers 'onsite' to US offices. Likewise, many employees at big cos who are actually 'vendors' are employees of outsourcing companies working at offices located in America.
- fourier_mode 7y agoYeah, but as it was pointed out -- it could be done by a 6 month visit visa and still the payment comes through at the site in India. So technically the employee could be working for the outsourced outlet and there should be no requirement of a work visa.
- 9nGQluzmnq3M 7y agoMany if not most outsourcing gigs require some people on the ground in the US to drum up new business, liaise with the customer, fulfill compliance requirements ("work must be done in US"), etc.
- NTDF9 7y agoIts a business visa to allow exchange of ideas quicker, better. Imagine GE, a company with a pool of power electronics talent in the US, wants to build specialized power plants for the Indian market. They can't do it remotely from the US. They will fly their US employees to India to study the market, understand rules and constraints, design and consult local Indian teams. The US employees need to stay there for years to build those things. All that requires India to give US citizens the visa to work for such a long time. And India does give that. Business visas in India are easy to get. Reverse the roles and if an Indian company wants to use their own pool of talent to do business in the US, H-1b are the only ones available for long term business related work, which got totally distorted by politics over the years. https://www.usa-corporate.com/start-us-company-non-resident/intro-us-business-visas/ https://www.usa-corporate.com/start-us-company-non-resident/...
- nunez 7y agoThen why doesn't India restrict inflow of US citizens in return?
- BeetleB 7y agoIsn't this what the L1 visa is for? I don't see anyone discussing that in this thread. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-1_visa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-1_visa >L-1 visas are available to employees of an international company with offices in both the United States and abroad. The visa allows such foreign workers to relocate to the corporation's US office after having worked abroad for the company for at least one continuous year within the previous three prior to admission in the US. The US and non-US employers must be related in one of four ways: parent and subsidiary; branch and headquarters; sister companies owned by a mutual parent; or "affiliates" owned by the same or people in approximately the same percentages.[2] Although when I look at the top companies utilizing them, you see it is Tata. Still, it's separate from the H1 and not subject to the H1 cap.
- ivalm 7y agoOur outsourced front end team has 6 people in India and one person in the US to provide management/coordination. As we are getting more offshore folks we will also be getting another onshore person from India.
- 9nGQluzmnq3M 7y agoPutting arbitrary caps on visas isn't a great way to do this though. A lot of startups in India are founded & staffed by Indian folks who got their experience, capital and connections working in the US.
- NTDF9 7y agoTell that to Trump. He can't see a win-win when it stares at him.
- zaroth 7y agoI think you misunderstood the parent comment. Putting caps on H1B visas isn’t a good way for India to stimulate it’s own startup ecosystem, because the claim is that many Founders are returning to India after a stint with H1B. Capping H1B is classic Trump and threatening to cap it based on complaisance with a particular pro-US policy goal, doubly so. Fundamentally, Trump believes America has tremendous amounts of value that it “gives away” too freely to competing countries in terms of access to our education, employment, and markets (visas and trade). He’s willing to leverage the value of cheap visas and cheap trade to obtain foreign policy goals.
- NTDF9 7y ago> Capping H1B is classic Trump and threatening to cap it based on complaisance with a particular pro-US policy goal, doubly so. I get this. But what Trump fails to grasp is that our own ecosystem in the US relies heavily on sucking MIT, Harvard, Stanford level people from other countries. Stopping that is a boon for other countries who not only have their own smart people starting companies locally but also have fewer American companies competing in general since America hemorrhaged that innovation ecosystem.
- sumanthvepa 7y agoTrue, any barriers to trade are bad for both parties. India will suffer more from this. And the Indian government almost certainly would not want those caps. But it is a misconception to assume that successful Indian startups were founded by folks who got their experience in business in the US. Indeed the most successful Indian business founders are entirely home grown: (See Infosys, Tata, Flipkart -- sold to Walmart now). I say this despite being one of these who got their experience working the US on an h1b, and then came back to India to start a business. The experience abroad was useful. It certainly broadened my horizons. But frankly, I don't think it made a whole lot of difference to my becoming an entrepreneur in India.
- throwaw4324 7y agoThere is no 'Indian ecosystem' - there is an Anglo-American one in Indian flavour. That's not much to work for - a cheap fake.