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thehustle.co as a publication is catered to young 'hustlers' who very much buy into the capitalist American Dream. This is a hype-article for the 'anyone can m

thehustle.co as a publication is catered to young 'hustlers' who very much buy into the capitalist American Dream. This is a hype-article for the 'anyone can make it' myth, a myth that fuels culture of overworked young people[1] struggling against structural changes they're told to ignore. [1]. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/02/religion-workism-making-americans-miserable/583441/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/02/religion-w...

mindcrime 7y ago
thehustle.co as a publication is catered to young 'hustlers' who very much buy into the capitalist American Dream. Good. We need more of this kind of thing around here, and less negativity and the "luck is everything, effort is irrelevant, sit on your ass and wait for the government to fix all your problems" bullshit that we've been overrun with lately. This is a hype-article for the 'anyone can make it' myth There's a big difference between saying "anyone can make it" and saying "everyone will make it". There's also the fact that there's a wide continuum regarding what "it" means. Not everyone has to become a billionaire to have "made it." If you're working in the fields for less than minimum wage in 110° temperatures, then becoming a manager at McDonalds could easily count as "making it." People should be encouraged to work hard and pursue their dreams... at the very least, I think we can all recognize that you're more likely to "make it" if you put the effort in, than if you sit around doing nothing.
- wavefunction 7y ago
  you'll find success in yourself and not fawning praise of hustle lifestyle pieces... or... you won't
- umanwizard 7y ago
  > If you're working in the fields for less than minimum wage in 110° temperatures, the become a manager at McDonalds could easily count as "making it." This is something I thought was cool about this guy’s story: by the time he became a janitor, he had already “made it” relative to his campesino upbringing (or at least how the article makes it sound). But he didn’t stop there.
- droithomme 7y ago
  > 110° temperatures 110° temperatures has a tendency to kill off whatever crop you are growing. It's not a common growing condition and most areas with these temperatures regularly are not considered suitable regions for efficient agricultural production.
  - umanwizard 7y ago
    Phoenix gets to 110 every year and you can definitely grow oranges and cotton there, at least.
    - droithomme 7y ago
      That's cool. I didn't realize Phoenix is a significant market supplier of agricultural products.
      - cr0sh 7y ago
        I live in Phoenix, Arizona. Phoenix itself - that is, the "Metro Phoenix" area - doesn't really supply agricultural products, but Arizona in general does, and has a very large and diverse set of climate zones which allow for this. People tend to think of Phoenix and Arizona in general to be one giant wasteland desert - when nothing could be further from the truth. Can you find such areas in Arizona? Certainly (but really, they aren't "wastelands" - just really hot and dry areas, but even so, there are plants, insects, and animals around). But there are far more diverse areas climate-wise in the state. And many of these areas have been or still are large producers of various agricultural products. Arizona is historically known for it's "5 C's": https://azlibrary.gov/collections/digital-arizona-library-dazl/arizona-almanac/5-cs https://azlibrary.gov/collections/digital-arizona-library-da... Three of which are ag-based (cattle, citrus, and cotton). Finally, this: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/yuma-lettuce_n_6796398 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/yuma-lettuce_n_6796398 ...which has had it's downsides and issues recently, but things like that happen and are sorted out.
- neotek 7y ago
  >Good. We need more of this kind of thing around here, and less negativity and the "luck is everything, effort is irrelevant, sit on your ass and wait for the government to fix all your problems" bullshit that we've been overrun with lately. What a thoroughly disingenuous strawman.
  - mindcrime 7y ago
    No it isn't. You see that attitude around here every single day. It's become just short of prevalent from what I can see. Everybody wants to push this agenda that "all of success is luck" and frankly it's absurd.
    - mensetmanusman 7y ago
      I believe it is because more people who are ‘smart’ have stopped believing in free will.
      - mindcrime 7y ago
        Could be. And admittedly, the issue of whether or not free will is a real thing or not would affect a great many things. My position, at the moment, is that we can't be sure, and we seem to have at least the illusion of free will, so I chose to make the simplifying assumption that we do, indeed, have free will. That said, is is hard to explain exactly how "free will" would work in a universe that seems to be mostly - if not wholly - deterministic.
- CaptainZapp 7y ago
  I, for one, disagree. And here's why: https://qz.com/work/1231617/what-you-learn-about-business-when-you-read-teen-boss-magazine/ https://qz.com/work/1231617/what-you-learn-about-business-wh...
- wonnage 7y ago
  Working in the fields in sweltering heat for less than minimum wage means you're not trying hard enough, all you have to do (in addition to dying of heat exhaustion) is to work hard and pursue your dreams! - guy with a website with a bunch of enterprise software gibberish
  - qazpot 7y ago
    > Working in the fields in sweltering heat for less than minimum wage means you're not trying hard enough It means that although you are working hard but not working smart.
  - mindcrime 7y ago
    Working in the fields in sweltering heat for less than minimum wage means you're not trying hard enough You do realize that nobody said that, or anything even remotely close to that, right? Also... I've actually "been there and done that" as far as doing manual labor, outside, in the NC heat in July and August. So you can think what you want about what I have to say, but at least I'm actually speaking based on a lifetime of experience that includes growing up dirt poor, and managing to make it to a level where I can have "a website full of enterprise software gibberish".

mindcrime 7y ago

thehustle.co as a publication is catered to young 'hustlers' who very much buy into the capitalist American Dream. Good. We need more of this kind of thing around here, and less negativity and the "luck is everything, effort is irrelevant, sit on your ass and wait for the government to fix all your problems" bullshit that we've been overrun with lately. This is a hype-article for the 'anyone can make it' myth There's a big difference between saying "anyone can make it" and saying "everyone will make it". There's also the fact that there's a wide continuum regarding what "it" means. Not everyone has to become a billionaire to have "made it." If you're working in the fields for less than minimum wage in 110° temperatures, then becoming a manager at McDonalds could easily count as "making it." People should be encouraged to work hard and pursue their dreams... at the very least, I think we can all recognize that you're more likely to "make it" if you put the effort in, than if you sit around doing nothing.

wavefunction 7y ago
you'll find success in yourself and not fawning praise of hustle lifestyle pieces... or... you won't
umanwizard 7y ago
> If you're working in the fields for less than minimum wage in 110° temperatures, the become a manager at McDonalds could easily count as "making it." This is something I thought was cool about this guy’s story: by the time he became a janitor, he had already “made it” relative to his campesino upbringing (or at least how the article makes it sound). But he didn’t stop there.
droithomme 7y ago
> 110° temperatures 110° temperatures has a tendency to kill off whatever crop you are growing. It's not a common growing condition and most areas with these temperatures regularly are not considered suitable regions for efficient agricultural production.
- umanwizard 7y ago
  Phoenix gets to 110 every year and you can definitely grow oranges and cotton there, at least.
  - droithomme 7y ago
    That's cool. I didn't realize Phoenix is a significant market supplier of agricultural products.
    - cr0sh 7y ago
      I live in Phoenix, Arizona. Phoenix itself - that is, the "Metro Phoenix" area - doesn't really supply agricultural products, but Arizona in general does, and has a very large and diverse set of climate zones which allow for this. People tend to think of Phoenix and Arizona in general to be one giant wasteland desert - when nothing could be further from the truth. Can you find such areas in Arizona? Certainly (but really, they aren't "wastelands" - just really hot and dry areas, but even so, there are plants, insects, and animals around). But there are far more diverse areas climate-wise in the state. And many of these areas have been or still are large producers of various agricultural products. Arizona is historically known for it's "5 C's": https://azlibrary.gov/collections/digital-arizona-library-dazl/arizona-almanac/5-cs https://azlibrary.gov/collections/digital-arizona-library-da... Three of which are ag-based (cattle, citrus, and cotton). Finally, this: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/yuma-lettuce_n_6796398 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/yuma-lettuce_n_6796398 ...which has had it's downsides and issues recently, but things like that happen and are sorted out.
neotek 7y ago
>Good. We need more of this kind of thing around here, and less negativity and the "luck is everything, effort is irrelevant, sit on your ass and wait for the government to fix all your problems" bullshit that we've been overrun with lately. What a thoroughly disingenuous strawman.
- mindcrime 7y ago
  No it isn't. You see that attitude around here every single day. It's become just short of prevalent from what I can see. Everybody wants to push this agenda that "all of success is luck" and frankly it's absurd.
  - mensetmanusman 7y ago
    I believe it is because more people who are ‘smart’ have stopped believing in free will.
    - mindcrime 7y ago
      Could be. And admittedly, the issue of whether or not free will is a real thing or not would affect a great many things. My position, at the moment, is that we can't be sure, and we seem to have at least the illusion of free will, so I chose to make the simplifying assumption that we do, indeed, have free will. That said, is is hard to explain exactly how "free will" would work in a universe that seems to be mostly - if not wholly - deterministic.
CaptainZapp 7y ago
I, for one, disagree. And here's why: https://qz.com/work/1231617/what-you-learn-about-business-when-you-read-teen-boss-magazine/ https://qz.com/work/1231617/what-you-learn-about-business-wh...
wonnage 7y ago
Working in the fields in sweltering heat for less than minimum wage means you're not trying hard enough, all you have to do (in addition to dying of heat exhaustion) is to work hard and pursue your dreams! - guy with a website with a bunch of enterprise software gibberish
- qazpot 7y ago
  > Working in the fields in sweltering heat for less than minimum wage means you're not trying hard enough It means that although you are working hard but not working smart.
- mindcrime 7y ago
  Working in the fields in sweltering heat for less than minimum wage means you're not trying hard enough You do realize that nobody said that, or anything even remotely close to that, right? Also... I've actually "been there and done that" as far as doing manual labor, outside, in the NC heat in July and August. So you can think what you want about what I have to say, but at least I'm actually speaking based on a lifetime of experience that includes growing up dirt poor, and managing to make it to a level where I can have "a website full of enterprise software gibberish".