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Veganism Is Technologically Inevitable

3 points by chanind 7y ago

jppope 7y ago
Yeah... all signs are pointing to a dystopian future, I suppose not being able to eat a really good burger is part of that.
meerita 7y ago
What these people do not understand is that, after millennia evolving morphologically, we have done it thanks to consume meat (both flesh and organs). Yes, good quality meat, full of saturated fats, blood. This is how we have developed our system. Today a portion of the population is being malnourished and malnourishing their children with the idea of not killing animals, so as not to cause them pain and thus ethically live well. The truth is that these people become addicted to sugar, either in the form of carbohydrates, and believe me, they always throw everything down, but all vegans end up fatal. Just watch them on YouTube, when they give up their unnatural diet. There are 15 nutrients (Vitamins: A, B6 [pyridoxal, pyridoxamine], B12, D, F, K2; Aminoacids: Creatine, Carnitine, Carnosine, Taurine; Heme-iron, CoQ10, CLA) that are only obtained from animals and can not be found in plants. From animals we can not only obtain all the macronutrients, but also all the necessary minerals to have a healthy body, even so, there are people who believe that eating fruits, vegetables and carbohydrates is the healthiest way. This is how they lose their hair, this is how allergies on the skin, intestinal problems, constant gas, lack of libido and sterility come for both men and women. There is not such "I'm allergic to meat" but there are uncountable allergies to plants, seeds. Plants don't want to be eaten, that's why they contain antinutrients and toxins. It's their way to survive from predators. People who eat plants get intoxicated, reducing the absorption of minerals, weak proteins and the few macronutrients that one can ingest in a meal. This is studied. Anyone interested in this topic can investigate it. I can recommend the excellent book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration from Weston Price as a starting point. BTW: I am ex vegetarian/vegan. I didn't "did it wrong".
- siphon22 7y ago
  Am I missing anything being vegetarian and consuming milk, cheese, and other forms of dairy products? Just curious since you seem to know what you're talking about.
  - meerita 7y ago
    Vegetarians get macronutrients from dairy, but they get it on minimums. Both vegetarians and vegans rely on suplements, sadly.
- willbw 7y ago
  I wouldn't agree with everything you say, but I would add that we probably don't understand everything about nutrition and deviating from millennia of traditional dietary intake including is possibly a dangerous thing to do. That being said, it can hardly be stated that the modern diet is at all reflective of what humans have eaten in anything but the very recent past. Processed foods and carbohydrates, grains, meat from animals that have been given steroids and have not been free to roam. There are so many variables that it seems like a very difficult task to determine what comprises a good diet. It is not clear to me whether a carnivorous or a vegan diet would be more beneficial to one's health.
  - meerita 7y ago
    My friend, there are many studies on nutrition. Many. From protein and mineral absortion to cause/efect due bad nutrition. Carnivore diet is 1000 better than vegan by the simply fact of the 15 nutrients. B12 is one of the most important that you need to get from natural sources, because the synthetic one (cyanocobalamin) is bad.
  - meerita 7y ago
    You can start here https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/
100100010001 7y ago
The authors arguement is essentially “I can’t see future humans in space slaughtering cows”. Thanks to a lack of imagination the only conceivable conclusion is everyone must be vegan. Brilliant!
- ryacko 7y ago
  I can imagine humanity genetically engineering cows to be more space efficient, be unable to move, and to efficiently consume artificial diets made of algae. Hopefully we'll stick to chicken and eggs.
  - chanind 7y ago
    At that point, why not just directly grow the meat itself and skip the animal? It's already possible with today's technology and is getting cheaper every year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultured_meat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultured_meat
    - ryacko 7y ago
      If you can replace an animal's metabolism, immune system, and various regulatory systems with synthetic substitutes, people wouldn't be eating cultured meat. They would be cyborgs.

3 points by chanind 7y ago

Yeah... all signs are pointing to a dystopian future, I suppose not being able to eat a really good burger is part of that.

meerita 7y ago

What these people do not understand is that, after millennia evolving morphologically, we have done it thanks to consume meat (both flesh and organs). Yes, good quality meat, full of saturated fats, blood. This is how we have developed our system. Today a portion of the population is being malnourished and malnourishing their children with the idea of not killing animals, so as not to cause them pain and thus ethically live well. The truth is that these people become addicted to sugar, either in the form of carbohydrates, and believe me, they always throw everything down, but all vegans end up fatal. Just watch them on YouTube, when they give up their unnatural diet. There are 15 nutrients (Vitamins: A, B6 [pyridoxal, pyridoxamine], B12, D, F, K2; Aminoacids: Creatine, Carnitine, Carnosine, Taurine; Heme-iron, CoQ10, CLA) that are only obtained from animals and can not be found in plants. From animals we can not only obtain all the macronutrients, but also all the necessary minerals to have a healthy body, even so, there are people who believe that eating fruits, vegetables and carbohydrates is the healthiest way. This is how they lose their hair, this is how allergies on the skin, intestinal problems, constant gas, lack of libido and sterility come for both men and women. There is not such "I'm allergic to meat" but there are uncountable allergies to plants, seeds. Plants don't want to be eaten, that's why they contain antinutrients and toxins. It's their way to survive from predators. People who eat plants get intoxicated, reducing the absorption of minerals, weak proteins and the few macronutrients that one can ingest in a meal. This is studied. Anyone interested in this topic can investigate it. I can recommend the excellent book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration from Weston Price as a starting point. BTW: I am ex vegetarian/vegan. I didn't "did it wrong".

siphon22 7y ago
Am I missing anything being vegetarian and consuming milk, cheese, and other forms of dairy products? Just curious since you seem to know what you're talking about.
- meerita 7y ago
  Vegetarians get macronutrients from dairy, but they get it on minimums. Both vegetarians and vegans rely on suplements, sadly.
willbw 7y ago
I wouldn't agree with everything you say, but I would add that we probably don't understand everything about nutrition and deviating from millennia of traditional dietary intake including is possibly a dangerous thing to do. That being said, it can hardly be stated that the modern diet is at all reflective of what humans have eaten in anything but the very recent past. Processed foods and carbohydrates, grains, meat from animals that have been given steroids and have not been free to roam. There are so many variables that it seems like a very difficult task to determine what comprises a good diet. It is not clear to me whether a carnivorous or a vegan diet would be more beneficial to one's health.
- meerita 7y ago
  My friend, there are many studies on nutrition. Many. From protein and mineral absortion to cause/efect due bad nutrition. Carnivore diet is 1000 better than vegan by the simply fact of the 15 nutrients. B12 is one of the most important that you need to get from natural sources, because the synthetic one (cyanocobalamin) is bad.
- meerita 7y ago
  You can start here https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/

100100010001 7y ago

The authors arguement is essentially “I can’t see future humans in space slaughtering cows”. Thanks to a lack of imagination the only conceivable conclusion is everyone must be vegan. Brilliant!

ryacko 7y ago
I can imagine humanity genetically engineering cows to be more space efficient, be unable to move, and to efficiently consume artificial diets made of algae. Hopefully we'll stick to chicken and eggs.
- chanind 7y ago
  At that point, why not just directly grow the meat itself and skip the animal? It's already possible with today's technology and is getting cheaper every year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultured_meat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultured_meat
  - ryacko 7y ago
    If you can replace an animal's metabolism, immune system, and various regulatory systems with synthetic substitutes, people wouldn't be eating cultured meat. They would be cyborgs.