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> he and some of his [white male] colleagues were laid off in favor of creating a more 'diverse' management roster. No disrespect is intended with this questio

> he and some of his [white male] colleagues were laid off in favor of creating a more 'diverse' management roster. No disrespect is intended with this question, but are you sure that was the real reason? I've seen people get laid off before search for reasons why they specifically were singled out, and come up with some pretty biased excuses for themselves when it was really something fairly mundane. Even when their replacements turned out to be incompetent.

cycrutchfield 7y ago
It’s either sour grapes post-hoc rationalization or it’s just alt-right fanfic. If it were actually real, he would have filed a lawsuit for wrongful termination.
- mruts 7y ago
  You actually think that’s how the world works?
- vageli 7y ago
  > It’s either sour grapes post-hoc rationalization or it’s just alt-right fanfic. If it were actually real, he would have filed a lawsuit for wrongful termination. Does that mean that people who don't report abuse aren't victims? I struggle to see the logic behind this statement.
- shearskill 7y ago
  This post about Cheetos seems to have attracted a lot of complaints about imaginary leftists and ideological bubbles. Very odd.
  - rchaud 7y ago
    Not odd so much as remarkable. How does a story about a minority janitor who started at the literal bottom, get turned into a grievance thread about the damage done by "diversity hiring" policies?
    - shearskill 7y ago
      HN seems to have a small subset of vocal critics who echo the ideology of edgy YouTube pundits. Maybe they align with being fans of Cheetos and other gamer culture commodities? There’s another offshoot discussion on this thread about how “Latinx” is a ‘white academia term’ and therefore it’s racist. Yet another about gender fluid pronouns and how using preferred pronouns is a burden some are unwilling to accommodate. It has to be the Cheetos.
      - rchaud 7y ago
        You're right, there is a segment of HN that has these opinions, but it goes beyond that crowd. I'm a big fan of Dilbert for example, and was excited to read Scott Adams' (the cartoonist) autobiography. In one of the first chapters, he himself talks about how he missed out on some promotion at the bank he worked for because "upper management wanted diversity". Very little detail is provided about this policy, so we have to take him at his word. While I don't really question his interpretation of events, I have to wonder about this unicorn bank that was promoting minorities wholesale over white males in the 1980s.
    - cycrutchfield 7y ago
      It's a pretty standard alt-right tactic online. When the topic at hand doesn't suit their worldview, manufacture inflammatory content until it does.
    - mrguyorama 7y ago
      Some people think that the American dream should only be for "Americans" ie not minorities
polartx 7y ago
there's certainty, and there's provability. Certainty may be rumors that come from colleagues in other parts of the company that play out exactly as they said it would. >Why wouldn't he sue for wrongful termination? This was many years ago in Texas, but imagine having the choice between fighting the brunt PepsiCo's legal team, possibly incurring crippling debt and losing the case to boot (read lack of provability) Or signing a 5 year NDA and receiving 18 months severance. (and in response to someone else suggesting incompetence, you know of many companies that offer 18 month severance packages for not doing your job well? I'd love to submit my resume)
- bduerst 7y ago
  I'm not so sure about that - you can still sue for discrimination even if you sign a employment release waiver and/or NDA, even after accepting any severance pay. Severance packages that large are common for execs, or multi-plant managers as you put it. Likewise, signing these types of releases are common for most public corp lay-offs, and are not evidence of anything nefarious. I would also say that rumors are not a certainty either, in fact, I would argue that the game of telephone gives rise to biases, not the opposite.
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cycrutchfield 7y ago

It’s either sour grapes post-hoc rationalization or it’s just alt-right fanfic. If it were actually real, he would have filed a lawsuit for wrongful termination.

mruts 7y ago
You actually think that’s how the world works?
vageli 7y ago
> It’s either sour grapes post-hoc rationalization or it’s just alt-right fanfic. If it were actually real, he would have filed a lawsuit for wrongful termination. Does that mean that people who don't report abuse aren't victims? I struggle to see the logic behind this statement.
shearskill 7y ago
This post about Cheetos seems to have attracted a lot of complaints about imaginary leftists and ideological bubbles. Very odd.
- rchaud 7y ago
  Not odd so much as remarkable. How does a story about a minority janitor who started at the literal bottom, get turned into a grievance thread about the damage done by "diversity hiring" policies?
  - shearskill 7y ago
    HN seems to have a small subset of vocal critics who echo the ideology of edgy YouTube pundits. Maybe they align with being fans of Cheetos and other gamer culture commodities? There’s another offshoot discussion on this thread about how “Latinx” is a ‘white academia term’ and therefore it’s racist. Yet another about gender fluid pronouns and how using preferred pronouns is a burden some are unwilling to accommodate. It has to be the Cheetos.
    - rchaud 7y ago
      You're right, there is a segment of HN that has these opinions, but it goes beyond that crowd. I'm a big fan of Dilbert for example, and was excited to read Scott Adams' (the cartoonist) autobiography. In one of the first chapters, he himself talks about how he missed out on some promotion at the bank he worked for because "upper management wanted diversity". Very little detail is provided about this policy, so we have to take him at his word. While I don't really question his interpretation of events, I have to wonder about this unicorn bank that was promoting minorities wholesale over white males in the 1980s.
  - cycrutchfield 7y ago
    It's a pretty standard alt-right tactic online. When the topic at hand doesn't suit their worldview, manufacture inflammatory content until it does.
  - mrguyorama 7y ago
    Some people think that the American dream should only be for "Americans" ie not minorities

polartx 7y ago

there's certainty, and there's provability. Certainty may be rumors that come from colleagues in other parts of the company that play out exactly as they said it would. >Why wouldn't he sue for wrongful termination? This was many years ago in Texas, but imagine having the choice between fighting the brunt PepsiCo's legal team, possibly incurring crippling debt and losing the case to boot (read lack of provability) Or signing a 5 year NDA and receiving 18 months severance. (and in response to someone else suggesting incompetence, you know of many companies that offer 18 month severance packages for not doing your job well? I'd love to submit my resume)

bduerst 7y ago
I'm not so sure about that - you can still sue for discrimination even if you sign a employment release waiver and/or NDA, even after accepting any severance pay. Severance packages that large are common for execs, or multi-plant managers as you put it. Likewise, signing these types of releases are common for most public corp lay-offs, and are not evidence of anything nefarious. I would also say that rumors are not a certainty either, in fact, I would argue that the game of telephone gives rise to biases, not the opposite.

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