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I'm going to make a moderate to strong-ish claim that deepfakes will not be a substantially serious issue for Democracy or reporting. I'm not certain, but I fee
by danShumway 7y ago
I'm going to make a moderate to strong-ish claim that deepfakes will not be a substantially serious issue for Democracy or reporting. I'm not certain, but I feel reasonably confident.
- We've already had sophisticated image editing capabilities for a long time, and it hasn't substantially changed how newspapers, blogs, and social media accounts share photos. In particular, I see screencaps of Twitter threads all the time, even though they're trivial to fake. For whatever reason, people already seem to be OK with this. Maybe image editing did upset everything and I'm just too young to remember, but in either case, it doesn't look to me like the world fell apart.
- We've had (relatively) sophisticated audio editing capabilities for a somewhat lesser period of time, and that hasn't changed the landscape of how I see audio reported on. Reporters still use audio as evidence in articles, we haven't seen a wide spread of proprietary chains of trust, anything like that.
- We've seen decent evidence that deepfakes aren't required to currently fake video content to the point that you can deceive people. Deceptive cutting, slowdown, etc... seems to be enough. For people who want reasons to distrust a video, those methods also seem to be adequate. I regularly encounter people who'll look at body-cam footage and say, "well, you don't know, it doesn't show the full context." I'm skeptical deepfakes will make this situation worse -- at most I suspect they'll just further divide us into groups who research sources and groups who don't.
- Deepfakes are getting better, and I keep on getting told that they're eventually going to be perfect, but again, in practice I can't help but compare it to Photoshop. It turned out that with Photoshop, people's ability to spot fakes improved at roughly the same rate as the technology, to the point where I don't think it would be trivial for me today to make a fake photo of a politician that wouldn't get quickly identified as such on Reddit or Twitter. I've seen some really impressive AI generated content that blows me away, but right now I can still tell that it's all fake. I haven't seen anything that can consistently produce results that fool me beyond the most straightforward, boring use-cases. And I'm not an expert on this stuff, if it's good it should be able to fool me.
In theory, deepfakes are concerning, and I get why people are concerned about them. The technology will get better, it will be easier and easier for anyone to make a video saying anything they want. In theory, I agree with all of that. I just don't see a lot of practical evidence that it's going to be any better or worse than what we have right now.
If I hadn't grown up in an era where people were making what to me sounded like similar claims about Photoshop, I would be more worried.
- basch 7y agomost everyone already doesnt consider anything they dont already believe. everyone will just shout fakenews at everything real unless they want to believe. any trust left in institutions will erode. we cant even believe our eyes or ears.
- danShumway 7y agoBut what's different? Why is this a different concern now than it was 5 years ago? Photographic evidence hasn't stopped Trump from believing his inauguration was larger than Obama's. And it has always been easy to get people en-mass to believe hoaxes using doctored evidence.[0][1] [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cottingley_Fairies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cottingley_Fairies [1]: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dead-fairy/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dead-fairy/
- ryanchoi 7y agoI think I agree. People already take political "memes" (some text on an image, designed to provoke reaction) for granted, and still-images are easier/faster to consume, and create, than videos.
- misterprime 7y agoI agree with this sentiment. However, there's another threat from deepfakes that someone had to point out to me: generating false memories. Imagine you're a VIP and someone shows you footage of yourself doing something unacceptable from 30 years ago. There's a good chance that you might believe that footage and accept that as a true memory, even though it is entirely fake.
- danShumway 7y agoWould that scenario be significantly harder to pull off today with a faked audio file or photograph? I'm not necessarily being theoretical about that. Growing up, I used to Photoshop family Christmas photos when not all of us could get together at the same time. Near the end of their lives, I vaguely remember it causing my grandparents to occasionally get confused about who was or wasn't actually at a gathering. And it's not like I did a particularly great job of it -- they just didn't have experience with what the technology was capable of. I guess what I'm trying to say is, yes, it seems obvious that there will be a generation of people who are not equipped to deal with the current state of image/audio/video manipulation, but is that actually a new thing? Hasn't that kind of always been the case?