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There are justifiable and reasonable questions about climate science, specifically in re proposed solutions. This is not the case with Vaccines.

by Aloha 7y ago

gdhbcc 7y ago
Sure it is, there's plenty of reasons to be skeptical. From concerns regarding their safety (see the quality control issues with Chinese vaccines), to nefarious government intervention (such as unethical medical trials) to concerns about espionage and data collection ( see the CIA and their vaccines as cover for spying in Pakistan and Afghanistan). To say "there is no reason to ever question or be against vaccines" shows a disturbing ignorance and naivety on how the world works
- WkndTriathlete 7y ago
  That's just needless pedantry. Production questions don't address the efficacy of population vaccination; likewise with unethical medical trials or espionage. I don't deny any of these happen, but the fact they did doesn't invalidate an effective vaccine. Would you prefer "There is no reason to question vaccines produced to FDA quality guidelines based on established and well-accepted efficacy, completed within an ethical and rigorous set of clinical trials"? Because I'm pretty sure that's what people generally mean when saying "there is no reason to ever question or be against vaccines" even if they don't state that explicitly.
- jhayward 7y ago
  This argument is one of basic innumeracy. Those things mentioned, to the extent they exist, are tiny nits on the enormous benefit. They are always discussed in isolation complete with heart-rending horror stories of suffering and no countervailing presentation of massive benefit of vaccines. It's a common tactic of subversion - essentially "how to lie with facts".
vixen99 7y ago
Do the downvotes mean there are no justifiable and reasonable questions to ask about climate science? Some science that would be but of course there are! For example, there are intense discussions regarding the magnitude of the climate sensitivity and be clear about it, there is no consensus view. It's spoken of in terms of probability. The influence of cloud cover is immensely complicated and little understood in terms of its contribution to the earth's energy balance.
- mistermann 7y ago
  > Do the downvotes mean there are no justifiable and reasonable questions to ask about climate science? My downvote was for the "This is not the case with Vaccines" assertion. It is imperfect from a factual and epistemological perspective, at least.

There are justifiable and reasonable questions about climate science, specifically in re proposed solutions. This is not the case with Vaccines.

by Aloha 7y ago

There are justifiable and reasonable questions about climate science, specifically in re proposed solutions. This is not the case with Vaccines.

gdhbcc 7y ago

Sure it is, there's plenty of reasons to be skeptical. From concerns regarding their safety (see the quality control issues with Chinese vaccines), to nefarious government intervention (such as unethical medical trials) to concerns about espionage and data collection ( see the CIA and their vaccines as cover for spying in Pakistan and Afghanistan). To say "there is no reason to ever question or be against vaccines" shows a disturbing ignorance and naivety on how the world works

WkndTriathlete 7y ago
That's just needless pedantry. Production questions don't address the efficacy of population vaccination; likewise with unethical medical trials or espionage. I don't deny any of these happen, but the fact they did doesn't invalidate an effective vaccine. Would you prefer "There is no reason to question vaccines produced to FDA quality guidelines based on established and well-accepted efficacy, completed within an ethical and rigorous set of clinical trials"? Because I'm pretty sure that's what people generally mean when saying "there is no reason to ever question or be against vaccines" even if they don't state that explicitly.
jhayward 7y ago
This argument is one of basic innumeracy. Those things mentioned, to the extent they exist, are tiny nits on the enormous benefit. They are always discussed in isolation complete with heart-rending horror stories of suffering and no countervailing presentation of massive benefit of vaccines. It's a common tactic of subversion - essentially "how to lie with facts".

vixen99 7y ago

Do the downvotes mean there are no justifiable and reasonable questions to ask about climate science? Some science that would be but of course there are! For example, there are intense discussions regarding the magnitude of the climate sensitivity and be clear about it, there is no consensus view. It's spoken of in terms of probability. The influence of cloud cover is immensely complicated and little understood in terms of its contribution to the earth's energy balance.

mistermann 7y ago
> Do the downvotes mean there are no justifiable and reasonable questions to ask about climate science? My downvote was for the "This is not the case with Vaccines" assertion. It is imperfect from a factual and epistemological perspective, at least.