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That’s cool because some of the “classic” music videos had a terrible quality.

by kabwj 7y ago

umvi 7y ago
Like "I'm Blue"[1] (that's some /r/vintagecgi right there) [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BinWA0EenDY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BinWA0EenDY
- layoutIfNeeded 7y ago
  They said they took inspiration from Metal Gear Solid for the clip: https://youtu.be/epnsRRPtoeU https://youtu.be/epnsRRPtoeU
paranoidrobot 7y ago
They did/do. Perhaps it's just the fallibility of my own memory, but looking at the No Doubt and Beastie Boys videos linked I don't recall them looking terribly different to what they do now. It'd be great to have a side by side comparison, or perhaps some information on which ones they're going to work on so I can grab them now and do it myself later.
- LocalH 7y ago
  Speaking from an NTSC background: Often times, even professionals working with older, standard-definition video end up processing it incorrectly, or may be working with digitizations in which someone else already made an error. Interlacing is almost never handled by a "double framerate" method (in which a 30fps interlaced video, each frame consisting of two 60Hz fields, is transformed into a 60fps progressive video). As well, often times such video is even captured with every other field missing (more common in VHS captures than professionally-handled captures, but that's a slight digression). Also, SD video really does look best on an SD CRT display. Often times, the upscaling to HD, as well as the differing visual properties of typical HD displays, will cause the inherent flaws of the SD material to be more pronounced. You won't ever get a true comparison without seeing the video playing on a decent SDTV. And honestly, playing these videos on an SDTV would probably look amazing compared to what you would have seen on MTV in the 80s and 90s.
  - mxfh 7y ago
    If the rationale is 80s to 90s SD broadcast reference monitor quality parity on HDR/OLED displays for the masses, this is all I want. As it goes for new digital transfers from 16mm or 35mm sources, it's a case by case thing to me, if the production looks "cheaper" when, it was not intended to by consumed beyond SD quality, better don't go over 720p remasters or it might look weird.
- mixmastamyk 7y ago
  By coincidence I looked at the Sabotage video a year or two ago because parts were filmed locally. Quality was horrendous, looked like a scan off VHS tape with additional compression artifacts to add insult to injury. The new version can't compete with new content in 4k of course, but it is much better than the previous official copy.

That’s cool because some of the “classic” music videos had a terrible quality.

by kabwj 7y ago

That’s cool because some of the “classic” music videos had a terrible quality.

umvi 7y ago

Like "I'm Blue"[1] (that's some /r/vintagecgi right there) [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BinWA0EenDY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BinWA0EenDY

layoutIfNeeded 7y ago
They said they took inspiration from Metal Gear Solid for the clip: https://youtu.be/epnsRRPtoeU https://youtu.be/epnsRRPtoeU

paranoidrobot 7y ago

They did/do. Perhaps it's just the fallibility of my own memory, but looking at the No Doubt and Beastie Boys videos linked I don't recall them looking terribly different to what they do now. It'd be great to have a side by side comparison, or perhaps some information on which ones they're going to work on so I can grab them now and do it myself later.

LocalH 7y ago
Speaking from an NTSC background: Often times, even professionals working with older, standard-definition video end up processing it incorrectly, or may be working with digitizations in which someone else already made an error. Interlacing is almost never handled by a "double framerate" method (in which a 30fps interlaced video, each frame consisting of two 60Hz fields, is transformed into a 60fps progressive video). As well, often times such video is even captured with every other field missing (more common in VHS captures than professionally-handled captures, but that's a slight digression). Also, SD video really does look best on an SD CRT display. Often times, the upscaling to HD, as well as the differing visual properties of typical HD displays, will cause the inherent flaws of the SD material to be more pronounced. You won't ever get a true comparison without seeing the video playing on a decent SDTV. And honestly, playing these videos on an SDTV would probably look amazing compared to what you would have seen on MTV in the 80s and 90s.
- mxfh 7y ago
  If the rationale is 80s to 90s SD broadcast reference monitor quality parity on HDR/OLED displays for the masses, this is all I want. As it goes for new digital transfers from 16mm or 35mm sources, it's a case by case thing to me, if the production looks "cheaper" when, it was not intended to by consumed beyond SD quality, better don't go over 720p remasters or it might look weird.
mixmastamyk 7y ago
By coincidence I looked at the Sabotage video a year or two ago because parts were filmed locally. Quality was horrendous, looked like a scan off VHS tape with additional compression artifacts to add insult to injury. The new version can't compete with new content in 4k of course, but it is much better than the previous official copy.