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So the solution to trafficked 14 year olds is to legalize 14 year old prostitutes?

by anbop 7y ago

monksy 7y ago
Never said that. Illegal activities would still be considered illegal, it's just the industry would be legal within a set of regulations. Take a baseline for the age of consent for the entire nation, maybe go conservative about who can work in that industry. (Say 18, or 21, etc) Other countries have legalized the work, have very stringent guidelines, and have addressed the societal issues that come about with having it.
skinnymuch 7y ago
No. Is there a good reason we don’t have a well regulated set of laws and enforcement for legal sex work for people 18 (or 21) and up?
- anbop 7y ago
  Because legalizing sex work has empirically not reduced the amount of sex trafficking / nonconsensual sex work that occurs. That’s what happened in Amsterdam and why they reduced the size of their brothel economy.
  - msla 7y ago
    Take as an axiom that you cannot meaningfully reduce the demand for prostitution. Given that axiom, I find it very hard to believe that legal sex work which is closely monitored for any signs of human trafficking would have the same amount of that associated with it as illegal prostitution which is impossible to monitor meaningfully. I suspect the amount of sex trafficking associated with illegal prostitution is grossly underestimated.
    - anbop 7y ago
      You absolutely can reduce the demand for anything by making it more costly. Prostitution is far more prevalent where it less costly in dollars and punishment (e.g. Canada vs USA) You can’t just assert a falsehood as axiomatic.
      - msla 7y ago
        > You absolutely can reduce the demand for anything by making it more costly. Prostitution is far more prevalent where it less costly in dollars and punishment (e.g. Canada vs USA) You can’t just assert a falsehood as axiomatic. Meaningfully reduce. The only meaningful reduction is to near zero, the point where human trafficking becomes impossible to profit from. That doesn't seem to be the case even in the USA.
        anbop 7y ago
        The only meaningful reduction is to near zero? Reducing human trafficking by 50% is not a meaningful reduction?
        msla 7y ago
        Reducing prostitution by 50% wouldn't reduce human trafficking the same amount, but thanks for equivocating!
        skinnymuch 7y ago
        Reducing by 1/3 or 1/2 or 3/4 isn’t meaningful? That sounds over the top. And also not nice at all to the people who would be saved with severe reductions.

So the solution to trafficked 14 year olds is to legalize 14 year old prostitutes?

by anbop 7y ago

So the solution to trafficked 14 year olds is to legalize 14 year old prostitutes?

Never said that. Illegal activities would still be considered illegal, it's just the industry would be legal within a set of regulations. Take a baseline for the age of consent for the entire nation, maybe go conservative about who can work in that industry. (Say 18, or 21, etc) Other countries have legalized the work, have very stringent guidelines, and have addressed the societal issues that come about with having it.

skinnymuch 7y ago

No. Is there a good reason we don’t have a well regulated set of laws and enforcement for legal sex work for people 18 (or 21) and up?

anbop 7y ago
Because legalizing sex work has empirically not reduced the amount of sex trafficking / nonconsensual sex work that occurs. That’s what happened in Amsterdam and why they reduced the size of their brothel economy.
- msla 7y ago
  Take as an axiom that you cannot meaningfully reduce the demand for prostitution. Given that axiom, I find it very hard to believe that legal sex work which is closely monitored for any signs of human trafficking would have the same amount of that associated with it as illegal prostitution which is impossible to monitor meaningfully. I suspect the amount of sex trafficking associated with illegal prostitution is grossly underestimated.
  - anbop 7y ago
    You absolutely can reduce the demand for anything by making it more costly. Prostitution is far more prevalent where it less costly in dollars and punishment (e.g. Canada vs USA) You can’t just assert a falsehood as axiomatic.
    - msla 7y ago
      > You absolutely can reduce the demand for anything by making it more costly. Prostitution is far more prevalent where it less costly in dollars and punishment (e.g. Canada vs USA) You can’t just assert a falsehood as axiomatic. Meaningfully reduce. The only meaningful reduction is to near zero, the point where human trafficking becomes impossible to profit from. That doesn't seem to be the case even in the USA.
      - anbop 7y ago
        The only meaningful reduction is to near zero? Reducing human trafficking by 50% is not a meaningful reduction?
        msla 7y ago
        Reducing prostitution by 50% wouldn't reduce human trafficking the same amount, but thanks for equivocating!
      - skinnymuch 7y ago
        Reducing by 1/3 or 1/2 or 3/4 isn’t meaningful? That sounds over the top. And also not nice at all to the people who would be saved with severe reductions.