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it's telling that the overpopulation people always worry about poor people having too many kids. rich people have a far larger ecological footprint and consume

by zem 7y ago

it's telling that the overpopulation people always worry about poor people having too many kids. rich people have a far larger ecological footprint and consume far more of any given resource.

distances 7y ago
Don't poor people usually have more kid in developing countries as that's basically the retirement plan? That's how I read parent's post, I'm assuming wealthy citizens have closer to western levels of offspring also in India.
- Creationer 7y ago
  Its a cultural issue. There are a lot of poor countries in Europe and East Asia. Why don't they have a lot of children? Why do women from Africa and the Middle East, who are given permanent refuge and full material support, still have such high numbers of children? Dare I say it: I think its also an IQ issue. Deciding to focus and invest in just one or two children takes planning and forethought. For whatever reason (environmental, genetic) some people do not have those capabilities.
  - dang 7y ago
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Creationer 7y ago
Americans, Europeans, East Asians are the most scientifically productive people on the planet. https://www.natureindex.com/country-outputs/generate/All/global/All/score https://www.natureindex.com/country-outputs/generate/All/glo... Estonia: population 1.3m, Articles: 15.8 Slovenia: 2m, Articles 38 USA: 327m, Articles: 19,838 Japan: 126m, Articles 3,033 Iceland: 0.3m, Articles 26 India: 1,339m Articles 951 Pakistan: 197m, Articles: 27 Democratic Republic of the Congo: 81m, Articles: 0 Iceland produces as much science as Pakistan, a country 656x bigger. Pakistan CO2 output: 1t per person. Iceland CO2 output 12t per person. USA: 15t per person Yes, the average Westerner probably uses 10x the resources of the average person in the 3rd world. But the scientific outputs are hundreds of times bigger. We should be saying to countries like India, Pakistan, Congo: you are destroying your environment, for the sake of what? What are you contributing to humanity to justify your use of limited resources? As the population in poor countries increase, their challenges will only worsen. Countries like Pakistan and India have taken advantage of science and technology developed in the West to reach their current populations. Given that we are using the Earth's resources so much more productively, we have a right to instruct the rest of the world how to manage itself.

by zem 7y ago

it's telling that the overpopulation people always worry about poor people having too many kids. rich people have a far larger ecological footprint and consume far more of any given resource.

distances 7y ago

Don't poor people usually have more kid in developing countries as that's basically the retirement plan? That's how I read parent's post, I'm assuming wealthy citizens have closer to western levels of offspring also in India.

Creationer 7y ago
Its a cultural issue. There are a lot of poor countries in Europe and East Asia. Why don't they have a lot of children? Why do women from Africa and the Middle East, who are given permanent refuge and full material support, still have such high numbers of children? Dare I say it: I think its also an IQ issue. Deciding to focus and invest in just one or two children takes planning and forethought. For whatever reason (environmental, genetic) some people do not have those capabilities.
- dang 7y ago
  We've banned this account for using HN for ideological and racial battle. Doing this will eventually get your main account banned as well, so please don't. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Creationer 7y ago

Americans, Europeans, East Asians are the most scientifically productive people on the planet. https://www.natureindex.com/country-outputs/generate/All/global/All/score https://www.natureindex.com/country-outputs/generate/All/glo... Estonia: population 1.3m, Articles: 15.8 Slovenia: 2m, Articles 38 USA: 327m, Articles: 19,838 Japan: 126m, Articles 3,033 Iceland: 0.3m, Articles 26 India: 1,339m Articles 951 Pakistan: 197m, Articles: 27 Democratic Republic of the Congo: 81m, Articles: 0 Iceland produces as much science as Pakistan, a country 656x bigger. Pakistan CO2 output: 1t per person. Iceland CO2 output 12t per person. USA: 15t per person Yes, the average Westerner probably uses 10x the resources of the average person in the 3rd world. But the scientific outputs are hundreds of times bigger. We should be saying to countries like India, Pakistan, Congo: you are destroying your environment, for the sake of what? What are you contributing to humanity to justify your use of limited resources? As the population in poor countries increase, their challenges will only worsen. Countries like Pakistan and India have taken advantage of science and technology developed in the West to reach their current populations. Given that we are using the Earth's resources so much more productively, we have a right to instruct the rest of the world how to manage itself.