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Is "taught in grade school" your standard of proof?

by Retra 7y ago

Mikeb85 7y ago
Some things are common enough knowledge that asking for a source is disingenuous. Everyone should know the earth was once warmer and went through various cooling periods. It's like asking for a source to prove the sky is blue or that the earth is round... This community claims to be one of educated professionals, yet somehow there's comments questioning things that are literally common knowledge and if somehow they don't know, can't spend 2 seconds to google it? Instead write "Source?". It's intellectually lazy as hell.
- Retra 7y ago
  >Some things are common enough knowledge that asking for a source is disingenuous. Yes. But then we invented science and "common knowledge" was proven ignorant time and time again. >It's like asking for a source to prove the sky is blue or that the earth is round... Hardly. I can't look out my window and see what the temperature was thousands of years ago. >This community claims to be one of educated professionals You're claiming that, not 'the community.' What is intellectually lazy is not providing information that verifies your claims, and instead preferring to debate the social circumstances of an internet discussion. You're not obligated to provide a source. You don't have to do it. But don't think you're somehow more intellectually honest or hardworking because you refuse to. If 2 seconds of googling solves this problem, then you should have probably just done that rather than arguing about whether you should need to.
  - Mikeb85 7y ago
    I googled it for the intellectually lazy. As an aside, the reason we know that CO2 affects earth's temperature is the same reason we know what kind of vegetation existed during that same time period. Because of observations in the fossil record.
- lordCarbonFiber 7y ago
  The problem with things that "everyone knows" is they are often hyper simplified abstractions that form useful models but are not appropriate to discussions of anything specific or for shaping policy. Everyone "knows" Pluto is farther than Neptune (except when it isn't[0]), traits are passed via dna (except when they aren't[1]), sex matches with gender (except it doesn't[2]). Sure the earth was warmer in the past, it was also colder, it was also a molten hellscape. Trying to relate a grade schooler's understanding of geologic time to specific climate models seems to be far more intellectually lazy than asking for a source so people can put your very vague claims into context. [0]https://curiosity.com/topics/pluto-and-neptune-swap-places-every-248-years-curiosity/ https://curiosity.com/topics/pluto-and-neptune-swap-places-e... [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction

Is "taught in grade school" your standard of proof?

by Retra 7y ago

Is "taught in grade school" your standard of proof?

Some things are common enough knowledge that asking for a source is disingenuous. Everyone should know the earth was once warmer and went through various cooling periods. It's like asking for a source to prove the sky is blue or that the earth is round... This community claims to be one of educated professionals, yet somehow there's comments questioning things that are literally common knowledge and if somehow they don't know, can't spend 2 seconds to google it? Instead write "Source?". It's intellectually lazy as hell.

Retra 7y ago
>Some things are common enough knowledge that asking for a source is disingenuous. Yes. But then we invented science and "common knowledge" was proven ignorant time and time again. >It's like asking for a source to prove the sky is blue or that the earth is round... Hardly. I can't look out my window and see what the temperature was thousands of years ago. >This community claims to be one of educated professionals You're claiming that, not 'the community.' What is intellectually lazy is not providing information that verifies your claims, and instead preferring to debate the social circumstances of an internet discussion. You're not obligated to provide a source. You don't have to do it. But don't think you're somehow more intellectually honest or hardworking because you refuse to. If 2 seconds of googling solves this problem, then you should have probably just done that rather than arguing about whether you should need to.
- Mikeb85 7y ago
  I googled it for the intellectually lazy. As an aside, the reason we know that CO2 affects earth's temperature is the same reason we know what kind of vegetation existed during that same time period. Because of observations in the fossil record.
lordCarbonFiber 7y ago
The problem with things that "everyone knows" is they are often hyper simplified abstractions that form useful models but are not appropriate to discussions of anything specific or for shaping policy. Everyone "knows" Pluto is farther than Neptune (except when it isn't[0]), traits are passed via dna (except when they aren't[1]), sex matches with gender (except it doesn't[2]). Sure the earth was warmer in the past, it was also colder, it was also a molten hellscape. Trying to relate a grade schooler's understanding of geologic time to specific climate models seems to be far more intellectually lazy than asking for a source so people can put your very vague claims into context. [0]https://curiosity.com/topics/pluto-and-neptune-swap-places-every-248-years-curiosity/ https://curiosity.com/topics/pluto-and-neptune-swap-places-e... [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction