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I worked for Lockheed Martin for more than a decade and I have many of the qualifications listed, including VAX experience and a special access clearance. Of co

I worked for Lockheed Martin for more than a decade and I have many of the qualifications listed, including VAX experience and a special access clearance. Of course, Lockheed laid me off fourteen years ago and I retired three years ago, so I guess I won't be applying.

magduf 7y ago
You should apply, and demand an insanely-high salary while pointing out that almost no one has VAX experience now.
- gigatexal 7y ago
  Where is the salary listed?
- deleted 7y ago
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- inetsee 7y ago
  When we retired my wife and I fled Atlanta at top speed. I don't know if the job is in Marietta, GA or Ft. Worth (the job listing seems to have disappeared) but I doubt if even an insanely high salary could get us to move to either of those locations.
  - magduf 7y ago
    Well, what I was thinking is that you live in an AirBnB or other short-term rental for 6 months and then quit. Some consultants work this way: only working for 3-6 months on a gig, getting paid a fortune (plus extra for living expenses because they're not relocating, just living there temporarily), and then leaving. If the company really needs the work done that badly and there's no qualified help willing to take it full-time, then this is a viable option. If there's no qualified help and they're not willing to go for a deal like this, then the work just doesn't get done.
  - jfb 7y ago
    It's at Edwards.
  - ido 7y ago
    why?
  - dredmorbius 7y ago
    California: Perform on-aircraft troubleshooting of the F-22 Avionics Systems in support of the F-22 flight test program at Edwards Air Force Base (AFB) https://web.archive.org/web/20190618050109/https://www.lockheedmartinjobs.com/job/california/f-22-avionics-systems-engineer-senior/694/8842471 https://web.archive.org/web/20190618050109/https://www.lockh...
  - m463 7y ago
    A friend of mine worked for general dynamics in ft worth years and years ago and I went and visited him. I was struck by all the apartment complexes that did not live up to their name. They were not complex at all, they were... simple (simplex?). The apartment buildings were designed like children draw houses, sort of like shoeboxes. They had pitched roofs and rows of identically spaced windows maybe 20 wide and 3 or more stories tall. Giant parking lots to match each building. To be clear, it was probably affordable housing, and I don't know if it's still like that, but it lacked character.
- commandlinefan 7y ago
  Actually I'd be surprised if they're even paying market rate for these developers, regardless of how difficult or impossible it is to find them. COBOL programmers still make about $70,000/year or so (https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/cobol-programmer-salary-SRCH_KO0,16.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/cobol-programmer-salary-S...) even though the entire world is going to collapse if they disappear. It would seem that the laws of supply and demand don't apply here.
  - tempsolution 7y ago
    Yes it does. If there actually was a bigger demand than there is supply, the salary would raise. The main reason why it doesn't is because a programming language or frameworks are not a barrier for any top developer. Skills usually transfer very well. The real crux of the matter is that these companies don't want to pay top salaries and thus don't get top developers. As long as there are people who navigate themselves into such niches and are proud of it, the salary for these specialized jobs will stay where it is. Simple as that.
    - mars4rp 7y ago
      I really don't want to judge your ability, I agree with your comment about C#, Java, JS, C ,... but COBOL is a completely different animal to reason with. Been there and ran as fast as I could.
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      - Torwald 7y ago
        Sounds interesting. Can you point me to a COBOL listing that shows some of this difference?
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hinkley 7y ago
I knew Boeing people who came back with a raise under similar circumstances. Charge them extra for the honor, and reward yourself with something nice at the end. This is bonus money after all. The binge-purge cycle at these places is not how I think things should be run, but I expect Congress is somewhat to blame for the cycling.

magduf 7y ago

You should apply, and demand an insanely-high salary while pointing out that almost no one has VAX experience now.

gigatexal 7y ago
Where is the salary listed?
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inetsee 7y ago
When we retired my wife and I fled Atlanta at top speed. I don't know if the job is in Marietta, GA or Ft. Worth (the job listing seems to have disappeared) but I doubt if even an insanely high salary could get us to move to either of those locations.
- magduf 7y ago
  Well, what I was thinking is that you live in an AirBnB or other short-term rental for 6 months and then quit. Some consultants work this way: only working for 3-6 months on a gig, getting paid a fortune (plus extra for living expenses because they're not relocating, just living there temporarily), and then leaving. If the company really needs the work done that badly and there's no qualified help willing to take it full-time, then this is a viable option. If there's no qualified help and they're not willing to go for a deal like this, then the work just doesn't get done.
- jfb 7y ago
  It's at Edwards.
- ido 7y ago
  why?
- dredmorbius 7y ago
  California: Perform on-aircraft troubleshooting of the F-22 Avionics Systems in support of the F-22 flight test program at Edwards Air Force Base (AFB) https://web.archive.org/web/20190618050109/https://www.lockheedmartinjobs.com/job/california/f-22-avionics-systems-engineer-senior/694/8842471 https://web.archive.org/web/20190618050109/https://www.lockh...
- m463 7y ago
  A friend of mine worked for general dynamics in ft worth years and years ago and I went and visited him. I was struck by all the apartment complexes that did not live up to their name. They were not complex at all, they were... simple (simplex?). The apartment buildings were designed like children draw houses, sort of like shoeboxes. They had pitched roofs and rows of identically spaced windows maybe 20 wide and 3 or more stories tall. Giant parking lots to match each building. To be clear, it was probably affordable housing, and I don't know if it's still like that, but it lacked character.
commandlinefan 7y ago
Actually I'd be surprised if they're even paying market rate for these developers, regardless of how difficult or impossible it is to find them. COBOL programmers still make about $70,000/year or so (https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/cobol-programmer-salary-SRCH_KO0,16.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/cobol-programmer-salary-S...) even though the entire world is going to collapse if they disappear. It would seem that the laws of supply and demand don't apply here.
- tempsolution 7y ago
  Yes it does. If there actually was a bigger demand than there is supply, the salary would raise. The main reason why it doesn't is because a programming language or frameworks are not a barrier for any top developer. Skills usually transfer very well. The real crux of the matter is that these companies don't want to pay top salaries and thus don't get top developers. As long as there are people who navigate themselves into such niches and are proud of it, the salary for these specialized jobs will stay where it is. Simple as that.
  - mars4rp 7y ago
    I really don't want to judge your ability, I agree with your comment about C#, Java, JS, C ,... but COBOL is a completely different animal to reason with. Been there and ran as fast as I could.
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
    - Torwald 7y ago
      Sounds interesting. Can you point me to a COBOL listing that shows some of this difference?
      - deleted 7y ago
        [deleted]
      - 7y ago

hinkley 7y ago

I knew Boeing people who came back with a raise under similar circumstances. Charge them extra for the honor, and reward yourself with something nice at the end. This is bonus money after all. The binge-purge cycle at these places is not how I think things should be run, but I expect Congress is somewhat to blame for the cycling.