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Actually, almost all of the democratic acts in the West lately (don't mistake the echo chambers which one of us is submitted to in social networks for the will

by wtdata 7y ago

Actually, almost all of the democratic acts in the West lately (don't mistake the echo chambers which one of us is submitted to in social networks for the will of the majority), show a clear support for parties that - amongst other things - want higher immigration limits. EU parliament elections, EU local elections, USA presidentials, Brazil, and the list goes on.

bergoid 7y ago
I think GP meant with "higher immigration limits" : less restrictions on immigration.
car12 7y ago
I should clarify, I meant: higher numerical intake limits for immigrants to developed countries. Basically, most of the liberal parties have found this "hack" to win elections. Where they wouldn't be able to win elections normally, they simply keep importing more and more people, and these immigrants reliably vote for these parties. Eventually, these places end up becoming one party states. Consider the case of California as an example. It's quite an indictment of the democratic processes.
- wtdata 7y ago
  But, liberal parties have been loosing an awfull lot of elections lately, clearly this is no "hack" to win elections because it is not working as you state. It's their ideology and it is up to the democratic process to judge it (favorably or unfavorably). And - although personally I favor controlled immigration only - it is perfectly healthy for a democracy to have parties that defend and present other perspectives.
  - car12 7y ago
    > clearly this is no "hack" to win elections because it is not working as you state. Like I just said, it's working extremely reliably. Look at California, the opposition is decimated there not by the merit of liberal parties work or argument but by the sheer number of immigrant votes. Granted there is a delay factor such that new immigrants can't vote but the mechanism of immigrants voting for liberal party is still at work. This is just for state level, I predict something similar happening at Federal level elections in a 1-2 election cycle period. Trump election was an exception IMO.
- NeedMoreTea 7y ago
  The liberal parties that are suffering across the globe with the rise of "surprise" popularist right parties and politicians (and to a lesser extent increasing environmental awareness)?
- rhcom2 7y ago
  It's how the democratic process is suppose to work, there is nothing "abnormal" about it. In the US at least, immigrants come here and eventually get to take part in the political system like everyone else. It's been happening for hundreds of years. The only thing I could think that would make it seem abnormal to you is the demographic of the immigrants.

by wtdata 7y ago

bergoid 7y ago

I think GP meant with "higher immigration limits" : less restrictions on immigration.

car12 7y ago

I should clarify, I meant: higher numerical intake limits for immigrants to developed countries. Basically, most of the liberal parties have found this "hack" to win elections. Where they wouldn't be able to win elections normally, they simply keep importing more and more people, and these immigrants reliably vote for these parties. Eventually, these places end up becoming one party states. Consider the case of California as an example. It's quite an indictment of the democratic processes.

wtdata 7y ago
But, liberal parties have been loosing an awfull lot of elections lately, clearly this is no "hack" to win elections because it is not working as you state. It's their ideology and it is up to the democratic process to judge it (favorably or unfavorably). And - although personally I favor controlled immigration only - it is perfectly healthy for a democracy to have parties that defend and present other perspectives.
- car12 7y ago
  > clearly this is no "hack" to win elections because it is not working as you state. Like I just said, it's working extremely reliably. Look at California, the opposition is decimated there not by the merit of liberal parties work or argument but by the sheer number of immigrant votes. Granted there is a delay factor such that new immigrants can't vote but the mechanism of immigrants voting for liberal party is still at work. This is just for state level, I predict something similar happening at Federal level elections in a 1-2 election cycle period. Trump election was an exception IMO.
NeedMoreTea 7y ago
The liberal parties that are suffering across the globe with the rise of "surprise" popularist right parties and politicians (and to a lesser extent increasing environmental awareness)?
rhcom2 7y ago
It's how the democratic process is suppose to work, there is nothing "abnormal" about it. In the US at least, immigrants come here and eventually get to take part in the political system like everyone else. It's been happening for hundreds of years. The only thing I could think that would make it seem abnormal to you is the demographic of the immigrants.