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I suspect a market for „used” imported cars with under 1000 miles will emerge to circumvent this law.

by badpun 7y ago

Reason077 7y ago
Most European countries will be working towards a ban around the same time, or shortly after. So there won't be a ready supply of such vehicles for Ireland to import. Besides, given the economic advantages of electric (especially if petrol taxes are gradually ramped up to discourage their use), there won't be much demand for combustion technology past 2030 anyway, except amongst vintage enthusiasts.
- badpun 7y ago
  Don’t we need to like more than double our current level of power production (+capacity of the power network) to be able to ditch ice cars? I wonder how more than doubling of the number of power plants is supposed to get funded. Is there some proposal that is grounded in technical and economical realities?
  - Reason077 7y ago
    No. In the UK it's around a 30% increase on current electricity demand by 2050 for a near-100% EV vehicle fleet. But as a significant portion of EV charging can be done off-peak/overnight, in terms of new generation capacity it's even less. This is something that has been studied in some depth by the UK's national grid: https://www.nationalgrid.com/group/case-studies/electric-dreams-future-evs https://www.nationalgrid.com/group/case-studies/electric-dre... https://theenergyst.com/millions-electric-vehicles-sooner-predicted-no-sweat-says-national-grid/ https://theenergyst.com/millions-electric-vehicles-sooner-pr...
  - vetinari 7y ago
    We also need to significantly upgrade transmission and distribution. That might be even more capital intensive, than building new production capacity.
- patrickk 7y ago
  Not to mention the supply of cars will be limited to RHD vehicles. Britain is the only nearby car market[1] with RHD cars. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-_and_right-hand_traffic#/media/File:Countries_driving_on_the_left_or_right.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-_and_right-hand_traffic#/...
talideon 7y ago
There already is, largely because VRT[1] ends up limiting the kinds of models of car sold new in Ireland. [1] Vehicle Registration Tax, a tax that's illegal under EU law, but the Irish government have never been seriously dinged on.

I suspect a market for „used” imported cars with under 1000 miles will emerge to circumvent this law.

by badpun 7y ago

I suspect a market for „used” imported cars with under 1000 miles will emerge to circumvent this law.

Most European countries will be working towards a ban around the same time, or shortly after. So there won't be a ready supply of such vehicles for Ireland to import. Besides, given the economic advantages of electric (especially if petrol taxes are gradually ramped up to discourage their use), there won't be much demand for combustion technology past 2030 anyway, except amongst vintage enthusiasts.

badpun 7y ago
Don’t we need to like more than double our current level of power production (+capacity of the power network) to be able to ditch ice cars? I wonder how more than doubling of the number of power plants is supposed to get funded. Is there some proposal that is grounded in technical and economical realities?
- Reason077 7y ago
  No. In the UK it's around a 30% increase on current electricity demand by 2050 for a near-100% EV vehicle fleet. But as a significant portion of EV charging can be done off-peak/overnight, in terms of new generation capacity it's even less. This is something that has been studied in some depth by the UK's national grid: https://www.nationalgrid.com/group/case-studies/electric-dreams-future-evs https://www.nationalgrid.com/group/case-studies/electric-dre... https://theenergyst.com/millions-electric-vehicles-sooner-predicted-no-sweat-says-national-grid/ https://theenergyst.com/millions-electric-vehicles-sooner-pr...
- vetinari 7y ago
  We also need to significantly upgrade transmission and distribution. That might be even more capital intensive, than building new production capacity.
patrickk 7y ago
Not to mention the supply of cars will be limited to RHD vehicles. Britain is the only nearby car market[1] with RHD cars. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-_and_right-hand_traffic#/media/File:Countries_driving_on_the_left_or_right.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-_and_right-hand_traffic#/...

talideon 7y ago

There already is, largely because VRT[1] ends up limiting the kinds of models of car sold new in Ireland. [1] Vehicle Registration Tax, a tax that's illegal under EU law, but the Irish government have never been seriously dinged on.