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The adversity is real. Most people have horrible lives. People who are sedated in this so-called "safe comfortable state" are the ones who are being taken advan

The adversity is real. Most people have horrible lives. People who are sedated in this so-called "safe comfortable state" are the ones who are being taken advantage of the most. It's like in The Matrix, it's not until you unplug yourself that you realize that the world is worse than it has ever been. Opportunities essentually don't exist at all. Also the argument that "if they don't realize it, then it won't hurt them" doesn't apply because it will hurt them badly in the end. Once they reach a certain age and realize that they're wasted their entire lives on video games, star wars, star treck, lord of the rings, game of thrones, etc... It will hurt badly and they won't have any way to recover.

Medicalidiot 7y ago
In the Developed world, we don't have to hunt our food. We don't freeze outside. We have comfortable lives in that we have are physiological needs taken care of. Yet, happiness is at an all time low and our psychological needs are neglected. I believe that OP is onto something in that humans are programmed to struggle with something, and if we don't, we start having issues. In my mind this is similar to an autoimmune disease: when our bodies don't have to fight outside pathogens, out white cells start attacking ourselves; this is one theory out there among many of why we develop autoimmune diseases.
- marcus_holmes 7y ago
  When I went through my depression, I did some reading on it, and this comes up in the literature. Essentially, people who struggle to feed themselves don't get depressed. Depression is a first-world problem because we have the time and luxury for introspection and contemplation. A large part of what got me out of my depression was making meaning for my life. Discovering what really matters to me, and living my life by my discovered values. I'm also, now, easily the most optimistic person in my peer-group (I definitely was not before). I believe the world is getting better every year, and that the human race will rise to overcome all the challenges presented to us.
  - leoreeves 7y ago
    > Depression is a first-world problem because we have the time and luxury for introspection and contemplation. That's a myth unfortunately: > Now, for the first time, researchers went beyond deaths to examine the global causes of illness and disability. They found that the single largest cause of disability worldwide was mental disorders – largely, the common illnesses of depression and anxiety. They caused a seventh of all the disability in the world. In the poorest countries as well as the richest, and at every socioeconomic level in between, mental disorders were the greatest thief of productive life. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/apr/30/busting-the-myth-that-depression-doesnt-affect-people-in-poor-countries https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/apr/30/busting-the-...
    - marcus_holmes 7y ago
      That's really interesting, thanks for sharing.
    - pfdietz 7y ago
      There's evidence implicating magnesium deficiency in depression and anxiety, so make sure your diet contains ample quantities of this element.
cortesoft 7y ago
What would make a life not horrible? Having to struggle for food and shelter?
nostrademons 7y ago
For most of human history - and in many places around the world today - living a "horrible life" means that it's about to end if you don't actively find food, evade guys with guns, and stay healthy. Being able to waste your entire lives on video games, star wars, star trek, etc. is a privilege of having your entire lifetime basically assured. That we've evolved for the former situation and seem to be miserable in the latter seems to be the grandparent's point.
- cryptica 7y ago
  There is a difference between "Being able to waste your entire lives on video games" and "Being forced to waste your entire lives on video games"... And it's not a black and white thing, it's a spectrum. More and more people are being essentially forced into virtual worlds because the real world is not giving them a chance to feel basic satisfaction. If the odds of achieving your goals and leading a satisfying life in the real world approach 0% (e.g. because of hyper-capitalism and monopolistic, anti-competitive, centralizing market forces), then it's completely understandable that you'd want to escape into virtual worlds which give you the dopamine rush which your real life continuously fails to deliver.

Medicalidiot 7y ago

In the Developed world, we don't have to hunt our food. We don't freeze outside. We have comfortable lives in that we have are physiological needs taken care of. Yet, happiness is at an all time low and our psychological needs are neglected. I believe that OP is onto something in that humans are programmed to struggle with something, and if we don't, we start having issues. In my mind this is similar to an autoimmune disease: when our bodies don't have to fight outside pathogens, out white cells start attacking ourselves; this is one theory out there among many of why we develop autoimmune diseases.

marcus_holmes 7y ago
When I went through my depression, I did some reading on it, and this comes up in the literature. Essentially, people who struggle to feed themselves don't get depressed. Depression is a first-world problem because we have the time and luxury for introspection and contemplation. A large part of what got me out of my depression was making meaning for my life. Discovering what really matters to me, and living my life by my discovered values. I'm also, now, easily the most optimistic person in my peer-group (I definitely was not before). I believe the world is getting better every year, and that the human race will rise to overcome all the challenges presented to us.
- leoreeves 7y ago
  > Depression is a first-world problem because we have the time and luxury for introspection and contemplation. That's a myth unfortunately: > Now, for the first time, researchers went beyond deaths to examine the global causes of illness and disability. They found that the single largest cause of disability worldwide was mental disorders – largely, the common illnesses of depression and anxiety. They caused a seventh of all the disability in the world. In the poorest countries as well as the richest, and at every socioeconomic level in between, mental disorders were the greatest thief of productive life. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/apr/30/busting-the-myth-that-depression-doesnt-affect-people-in-poor-countries https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/apr/30/busting-the-...
  - marcus_holmes 7y ago
    That's really interesting, thanks for sharing.
  - pfdietz 7y ago
    There's evidence implicating magnesium deficiency in depression and anxiety, so make sure your diet contains ample quantities of this element.

cortesoft 7y ago

What would make a life not horrible? Having to struggle for food and shelter?

nostrademons 7y ago

For most of human history - and in many places around the world today - living a "horrible life" means that it's about to end if you don't actively find food, evade guys with guns, and stay healthy. Being able to waste your entire lives on video games, star wars, star trek, etc. is a privilege of having your entire lifetime basically assured. That we've evolved for the former situation and seem to be miserable in the latter seems to be the grandparent's point.

cryptica 7y ago
There is a difference between "Being able to waste your entire lives on video games" and "Being forced to waste your entire lives on video games"... And it's not a black and white thing, it's a spectrum. More and more people are being essentially forced into virtual worlds because the real world is not giving them a chance to feel basic satisfaction. If the odds of achieving your goals and leading a satisfying life in the real world approach 0% (e.g. because of hyper-capitalism and monopolistic, anti-competitive, centralizing market forces), then it's completely understandable that you'd want to escape into virtual worlds which give you the dopamine rush which your real life continuously fails to deliver.