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In the United States it's the same, but the left don't even take it as an example of socialist failures. Instead they attribute the state of Venezuela to having

In the United States it's the same, but the left don't even take it as an example of socialist failures. Instead they attribute the state of Venezuela to having been the consequence of American interventionism. It's actually a tragedy, because the lessons to be learned from the failure of socialism come at the cost of countless lives, the least we could do is come away with something of utility.

objectivetruth 7y ago
In the United States it's the same, but the right doesn't even take it as an example of the failures of oligarchical cronyism. Instead they attribute the state of Venezuela to having been the consequence of socialism. It's actually a tragedy, because the lessons to be learned from the benefits of democratic socialism can save tens of thousands of the lives lost in the US every year to our healthcare financing system [0], the least we could do is come away with something of utility. [0] https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/ https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-fin...
fit2rule 7y ago
Alas, your argument is tragic because with just a simple switch of a phrase, it becomes even more truthful: >It's actually a tragedy, because the lessons to be learned from the failure of western imperialism come at the cost of countless lives, the least we could do is come away with something of utility. We in the West all too often ignore the victims of Americas heinous illegal wars - over 500,000 innocent people have lost their lives because America believes it has a right to interfere in sovereign states across the globe. Whether you are left- or right- oriented, you will be doing yourself and your culture a favour by stopping the very poor habit of ignoring the real victims of America's wars, who have too long been swept under the covers, because its either too embarrassing or the inherent evils too obvious upon inspection. Americans of all political persuasions really need to stop America's war machine. It is, undeniably, the most negative influence in the world today.
- ralusek 7y ago
  I oppose all American interventionism. I think it's horrible. That being said, it's not the reason why the Venezuelan state failed.
  - fit2rule 7y ago
    Venezuela would be in a much better condition today if the CIA was not interfering in its internal politics. There can be absolutely no doubt about this - the evidence is absolutely clear to those who care to look. To discount the negative effect that CIA interference in the normal operation of sovereign states has on the world, one has to be willing to fall for a hell of a lot of propaganda and lies. The CIA is one of the most evil organisations on the planet today.

objectivetruth 7y ago

In the United States it's the same, but the right doesn't even take it as an example of the failures of oligarchical cronyism. Instead they attribute the state of Venezuela to having been the consequence of socialism. It's actually a tragedy, because the lessons to be learned from the benefits of democratic socialism can save tens of thousands of the lives lost in the US every year to our healthcare financing system [0], the least we could do is come away with something of utility. [0] https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/ https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-fin...

fit2rule 7y ago

Alas, your argument is tragic because with just a simple switch of a phrase, it becomes even more truthful: >It's actually a tragedy, because the lessons to be learned from the failure of western imperialism come at the cost of countless lives, the least we could do is come away with something of utility. We in the West all too often ignore the victims of Americas heinous illegal wars - over 500,000 innocent people have lost their lives because America believes it has a right to interfere in sovereign states across the globe. Whether you are left- or right- oriented, you will be doing yourself and your culture a favour by stopping the very poor habit of ignoring the real victims of America's wars, who have too long been swept under the covers, because its either too embarrassing or the inherent evils too obvious upon inspection. Americans of all political persuasions really need to stop America's war machine. It is, undeniably, the most negative influence in the world today.

ralusek 7y ago
I oppose all American interventionism. I think it's horrible. That being said, it's not the reason why the Venezuelan state failed.
- fit2rule 7y ago
  Venezuela would be in a much better condition today if the CIA was not interfering in its internal politics. There can be absolutely no doubt about this - the evidence is absolutely clear to those who care to look. To discount the negative effect that CIA interference in the normal operation of sovereign states has on the world, one has to be willing to fall for a hell of a lot of propaganda and lies. The CIA is one of the most evil organisations on the planet today.