5 ms·

Perhaps if manufacturers will move out of PRC into nearby countries it won't have a large effect on prices for consumers and businesses in the US, but at the sa

Perhaps if manufacturers will move out of PRC into nearby countries it won't have a large effect on prices for consumers and businesses in the US, but at the same time will force China to make structural changes in adherence with the rules of global trade and human rights. Too bad Trump has alienated traditional US allies - if major economies teamed up in this effort it would have been a much easier goal.

jimmaswell 7y ago
I don't think allies are going to be permanently "alienated" by one president's remarks.
- petschge 7y ago
  The one idiot that the rest of the world ignored was Georg W. Bush. By electing a second, worse idiot the US has demonstrated to the world that they are no longer a viable long term partner.
  - tastygreenapple 7y ago
    The feeling is mutual, why do you think we elected Trump? Americans are sick and tired of America paying for the rest of the world. Enjoy investing in your own military, if you get invaded I hope the U.S doesn't lift a finger.
    - comicjk 7y ago
      If this was the reason you voted for Trump, I have some bad news about the trajectory of military spending.
    - dang 7y ago
      Posting political flamewar comments isn't ok here. Would you please review and follow the site guidelines so we don't have to ban you again? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - dang 7y ago
    No partisan flamebait here please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- threeseed 7y ago
  "Once bitten, twice shy" as the saying goes. For example, the EU has acknowledged that their unflappable trust in the US alliance can no longer be depended on. And they are taking steps to move towards a more independent posture in particular on defence.
  - deleted 7y ago
    [deleted]
- tensor 7y ago
  It will be if that president becomes your monarch, which is looking increasingly likely.
microcolonel 7y ago
The "traditional US allies" have been the least help in this. The U.S. government hasn't done enough to support Taiwan in my opinion, but U.S. relations with India, Viet nam, Korea, etc. are exceptionally good. Among them surely is a replacement for some of the scale and industrial power the PRC is unwilling to provide on reasonable terms.
- BuckRogers 7y ago
  The USA can't provide that scale and industrial power? Seems like the elephant in the room.
  - microcolonel 7y ago
    Maybe the U.S. can, but it seems that some people still think it's more efficient to go elsewhere, and in the near term I don't see that opinion changing.
    - BuckRogers 7y ago
      That efficiency can be eliminated with tariffs, just as much of the rest of the world does. The only safe place to do business, is in the country that you're selling to. That should've never been encouraged to get away from to begin with.
- drogon50 7y ago
  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-48650505 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-48650505
  - microcolonel 7y ago
    The U.S. relationship with China is dominated by imports, so India restricting some imports from the U.S. (keeping in mind that China imposes far more severe tariffs on most U.S. goods) is not completely crazy.

jimmaswell 7y ago

I don't think allies are going to be permanently "alienated" by one president's remarks.

petschge 7y ago
The one idiot that the rest of the world ignored was Georg W. Bush. By electing a second, worse idiot the US has demonstrated to the world that they are no longer a viable long term partner.
- tastygreenapple 7y ago
  The feeling is mutual, why do you think we elected Trump? Americans are sick and tired of America paying for the rest of the world. Enjoy investing in your own military, if you get invaded I hope the U.S doesn't lift a finger.
  - comicjk 7y ago
    If this was the reason you voted for Trump, I have some bad news about the trajectory of military spending.
  - dang 7y ago
    Posting political flamewar comments isn't ok here. Would you please review and follow the site guidelines so we don't have to ban you again? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 7y ago
  No partisan flamebait here please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
threeseed 7y ago
"Once bitten, twice shy" as the saying goes. For example, the EU has acknowledged that their unflappable trust in the US alliance can no longer be depended on. And they are taking steps to move towards a more independent posture in particular on defence.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
tensor 7y ago
It will be if that president becomes your monarch, which is looking increasingly likely.

microcolonel 7y ago

The "traditional US allies" have been the least help in this. The U.S. government hasn't done enough to support Taiwan in my opinion, but U.S. relations with India, Viet nam, Korea, etc. are exceptionally good. Among them surely is a replacement for some of the scale and industrial power the PRC is unwilling to provide on reasonable terms.

BuckRogers 7y ago
The USA can't provide that scale and industrial power? Seems like the elephant in the room.
- microcolonel 7y ago
  Maybe the U.S. can, but it seems that some people still think it's more efficient to go elsewhere, and in the near term I don't see that opinion changing.
  - BuckRogers 7y ago
    That efficiency can be eliminated with tariffs, just as much of the rest of the world does. The only safe place to do business, is in the country that you're selling to. That should've never been encouraged to get away from to begin with.
drogon50 7y ago
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-48650505 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-48650505
- microcolonel 7y ago
  The U.S. relationship with China is dominated by imports, so India restricting some imports from the U.S. (keeping in mind that China imposes far more severe tariffs on most U.S. goods) is not completely crazy.