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Maybe you ought to read CNN for a more nuanced view on this. People claiming everyone is against this, ought to remember that it fits with long term policies o

Maybe you ought to read CNN for a more nuanced view on this. People claiming everyone is against this, ought to remember that it fits with long term policies of the current government in Hong Kong. Someone must have elected them. > Seen in light of this pattern of conduct by Hong Kong's government, the extradition bill is nothing new. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/11/opinions/hong-kong-protests-government-abuse-judiciary-cheung/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/11/opinions/hong-kong-protes...

kristofferR 7y ago
> Someone must have elected them. Beijing did. Hong-Kong isn't a democracy.
- pas 7y ago
  Alas that seems a very low bar nowadays.
ltbarcly3 7y ago
No, I'm afraid you are incorrect. Also the quality of reporting from CNN is extremely suspect these days, and you must be especially careful when reading opinion pieces written by Chinese nationals, as there is a large, well funded program by the Chinese government to coordinate opinions and opinion leaders among Chinese expat communities. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/world/asia/hong-kong-chief-executive-ce-election-carrie-lam-john-tsang.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/world/asia/hong-kong-chie...
- rjzzleep 7y ago
  Only partly. First of all the British are the ones that made sure there would be no general elections. They basically gambled that they would keep their power by appeasing the PRC. And the British were at the forefront of deciding who would be part of the 1200 man election council to appoint the CEO of Hong Kong. Pretending like we can just scrap the history of a place and our own hand in it just because we don't like the outcome is disingenous at best.
  - ltbarcly3 7y ago
    > "Pretending like we can just scrap the history of a place and our own hand in it" If two people commit a crime by one person first knocking the victim down and the second person tying them up, good luck trying to defend the second person by saying "we can't scrap the history of the crime and the first criminals hand it". Ethically it does not matter whether or not someone made it easier for you to commit a crime. In fact, according to most legal traditions it would be considered worse. No, I think the people you get to put the full blame on is whoever is currently doing the oppressing. (Finally, I reject the idea that 'we' somehow inherit blame from hundreds of years ago when that guilt is used in an attempt to rationalize current oppression.)

kristofferR 7y ago

> Someone must have elected them. Beijing did. Hong-Kong isn't a democracy.

pas 7y ago
Alas that seems a very low bar nowadays.

ltbarcly3 7y ago

No, I'm afraid you are incorrect. Also the quality of reporting from CNN is extremely suspect these days, and you must be especially careful when reading opinion pieces written by Chinese nationals, as there is a large, well funded program by the Chinese government to coordinate opinions and opinion leaders among Chinese expat communities. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/world/asia/hong-kong-chief-executive-ce-election-carrie-lam-john-tsang.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/world/asia/hong-kong-chie...

rjzzleep 7y ago
Only partly. First of all the British are the ones that made sure there would be no general elections. They basically gambled that they would keep their power by appeasing the PRC. And the British were at the forefront of deciding who would be part of the 1200 man election council to appoint the CEO of Hong Kong. Pretending like we can just scrap the history of a place and our own hand in it just because we don't like the outcome is disingenous at best.
- ltbarcly3 7y ago
  > "Pretending like we can just scrap the history of a place and our own hand in it" If two people commit a crime by one person first knocking the victim down and the second person tying them up, good luck trying to defend the second person by saying "we can't scrap the history of the crime and the first criminals hand it". Ethically it does not matter whether or not someone made it easier for you to commit a crime. In fact, according to most legal traditions it would be considered worse. No, I think the people you get to put the full blame on is whoever is currently doing the oppressing. (Finally, I reject the idea that 'we' somehow inherit blame from hundreds of years ago when that guilt is used in an attempt to rationalize current oppression.)