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I didn't make any comment at all about whether Russia does the same. I assume that any major power is constantly propagandising its own people, and those of oth

I didn't make any comment at all about whether Russia does the same. I assume that any major power is constantly propagandising its own people, and those of other countries. The issue is that this propaganda has become a mainstream news story which is: 1) Endlessly repeated on-air by trusted individuals 2) Almost universally accepted as a truth by politicians and pundits despite there being zero concrete evidence of any Russian conspiracy 3) Rarely, if ever, challenged by politicians, pundits or guests on any mainstream news channel.

Miner49er 7y ago
Okay, I misunderstood, your message seemed to imply Russia doesn't try to spread propaganda online. You're right, it is blown way out of proportion. Russia is most likely doing it, but yeah, I've never understood the focus on Russia when literally anyone can, and basically everyone tries to influence US politics, many (like Israel, or certain media outlets) do it openly.
- hallihax 7y ago
  > Okay, I misunderstood, your message seemed to imply Russia doesn't try to spread propaganda online. I don't really see how anything I said could be construed that way, but ok :P Sure you're a not a fed yourself? :P /s
- 0x445442 7y ago
  Yeah, if we want to talk about influencing politics let's start by comparing the number of members of congress that hold duel citizenship with Russia, Ukraine, Syria and Iran versus a particular other country.
  - rashkov 7y ago
    Your comment is thoroughly within an anti-Semitic tradition of singling out and delegitimizing jewish citizens practicing politics, by accusing them of dual loyalty.
    - rexpop 7y ago
      Hardly.
    - 0x445442 7y ago
      Nice try but no. The question of whether or not an individual should be allowed to serve as a US representative in congress if they are also a citizen of a foreign country is perfectly valid. Also, I never referred to any particular country other than ones that weren't represented. The fact that you jumped right to the anti-Semite card shows there's probably issues with the way things currently stand.
akhilcacharya 7y ago
>2) Almost universally accepted as a truth by politicians and pundits despite there being zero concrete evidence of any Russian conspiracy What? There's quite a bit of evidence, and an entire special counsel was appointed to investigate and litigate the evidence! https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Muelller-Report-Redacted-Vol-I-Released-04.18.2019-Word-Searchable.-Reduced-Size.pdf https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Muel... Sections 2 and 3 are particularly relevant in this case.
- hallihax 7y ago
  There's no evidence. There's a handful of (allegedly) Russian facebook posts / members, and then spurious, inconsequential allegations about specific individuals. The special counsel is an obvious stitch up which has achieved almost nothing aside from some irrelevant indictments, and which has produced no credible evidence of any conspiracy with Russia. If your terms of investigation are just 'Russian interference', then you can classify literally anything which comes from a Russian as being 'interference'. Is my post 'UK interference' in US politics? It's a joke. The entire world is laughing at the US over this.
  - meowface 7y ago
    That's a misrepresentation of the extent of Russia's espionage and propaganda campaigns during the elections. Considering Russia's propensity to kill people on UK soil, you'd think you'd be more willing to accept that their intelligence services can be brazen. No, no evidence was produced that Trump or his campaign conspired with them. But massive amounts of evidence was produced that Russia tried to influence the election.
    - hallihax 7y ago
      > That's a misrepresentation of the extent of Russia's espionage and propaganda campaigns during the elections. Considering Russia's propensity to kill people on UK soil, you'd think you'd be more willing to accept that their intelligence services can be brazen. The Skripal narrative is nonsense too. The whole story is a farce. > No, no evidence was produced that Trump or his campaign conspired with them. But massive amounts of evidence was produced that Russia tried to influence the election. Having preferred outcomes and posting memes on Facebook isn't a crime under any law - national or international.

Miner49er 7y ago

Okay, I misunderstood, your message seemed to imply Russia doesn't try to spread propaganda online. You're right, it is blown way out of proportion. Russia is most likely doing it, but yeah, I've never understood the focus on Russia when literally anyone can, and basically everyone tries to influence US politics, many (like Israel, or certain media outlets) do it openly.

hallihax 7y ago
> Okay, I misunderstood, your message seemed to imply Russia doesn't try to spread propaganda online. I don't really see how anything I said could be construed that way, but ok :P Sure you're a not a fed yourself? :P /s
0x445442 7y ago
Yeah, if we want to talk about influencing politics let's start by comparing the number of members of congress that hold duel citizenship with Russia, Ukraine, Syria and Iran versus a particular other country.
- rashkov 7y ago
  Your comment is thoroughly within an anti-Semitic tradition of singling out and delegitimizing jewish citizens practicing politics, by accusing them of dual loyalty.
  - rexpop 7y ago
    Hardly.
  - 0x445442 7y ago
    Nice try but no. The question of whether or not an individual should be allowed to serve as a US representative in congress if they are also a citizen of a foreign country is perfectly valid. Also, I never referred to any particular country other than ones that weren't represented. The fact that you jumped right to the anti-Semite card shows there's probably issues with the way things currently stand.

akhilcacharya 7y ago

>2) Almost universally accepted as a truth by politicians and pundits despite there being zero concrete evidence of any Russian conspiracy What? There's quite a bit of evidence, and an entire special counsel was appointed to investigate and litigate the evidence! https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Muelller-Report-Redacted-Vol-I-Released-04.18.2019-Word-Searchable.-Reduced-Size.pdf https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Muel... Sections 2 and 3 are particularly relevant in this case.

hallihax 7y ago
There's no evidence. There's a handful of (allegedly) Russian facebook posts / members, and then spurious, inconsequential allegations about specific individuals. The special counsel is an obvious stitch up which has achieved almost nothing aside from some irrelevant indictments, and which has produced no credible evidence of any conspiracy with Russia. If your terms of investigation are just 'Russian interference', then you can classify literally anything which comes from a Russian as being 'interference'. Is my post 'UK interference' in US politics? It's a joke. The entire world is laughing at the US over this.
- meowface 7y ago
  That's a misrepresentation of the extent of Russia's espionage and propaganda campaigns during the elections. Considering Russia's propensity to kill people on UK soil, you'd think you'd be more willing to accept that their intelligence services can be brazen. No, no evidence was produced that Trump or his campaign conspired with them. But massive amounts of evidence was produced that Russia tried to influence the election.
  - hallihax 7y ago
    > That's a misrepresentation of the extent of Russia's espionage and propaganda campaigns during the elections. Considering Russia's propensity to kill people on UK soil, you'd think you'd be more willing to accept that their intelligence services can be brazen. The Skripal narrative is nonsense too. The whole story is a farce. > No, no evidence was produced that Trump or his campaign conspired with them. But massive amounts of evidence was produced that Russia tried to influence the election. Having preferred outcomes and posting memes on Facebook isn't a crime under any law - national or international.