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I'll take a look at the video but.. I see problems with #1. First, I don't believe that having hate speech in the open is better because it can then be refuted

by latch 7y ago

I'll take a look at the video but.. I see problems with #1. First, I don't believe that having hate speech in the open is better because it can then be refuted. I think that's just BS..bigots aren't fueled by rational discussion, they're fueled by hate and ignorance. Second, part of the problem here is that these platforms are a) open and b) can push this content, including to minors. I'd probably be willing to have Youtube and twitter thave _no_ censorship but in exchange the platforms should be be dumb directories and/or not publicly accessible. Third, hate speech can lead to violence. I feel that this point needs to be balanced against someone's right to listen (is that really a right?). I agree that in this case, it's probably more harassment than full on hate speech. But once you start spewing hate at large groups of people, more harm is done than good: "In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance."

chroma 7y ago
> Second, part of the problem here is that these platforms are a) open and b) can push this content, including to minors. I'd probably be willing to have Youtube and twitter thave _no_ censorship but in exchange the platforms should be be dumb directories and/or not publicly accessible. I'm talking about the Canadian hate speech laws, not YouTube censorship. Companies can refuse to host whatever they want. > Third, hate speech can lead to violence. I feel that this point needs to be balanced against someone's right to listen (is that really a right?). OK, so do you ban the bible or not? Religious texts are the biggest source of hatred of homosexuals, racism, misogyny, and antisemitism. If we don't ban them, then clearly the hate speech laws will only be used to silence unpopular views instead of harmful ones. I strongly encourage you to listen to Hitchens's arguments, because he addresses every point you've brought up except for corporate censorship.
- pdkl95 7y ago
  > I strongly encourage you to listen to Hitchens's arguments I strongly encourage you to watch this explanation of the problems with Hitchens's free speech argument. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGTDhutW_us https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGTDhutW_us
  - chroma 7y ago
    I knew before I clicked on the link that it would be a contrapoints video. I’ve seen it before and let’s just say I don’t find it compelling. It’s your typical youtuber taking clips out of context, misinterpreting them (possibly deliberately) and then spending as long as they want attacking the straw man they just set up. The straw man is evident from the title: “Does the left hate free speech?” That is not what Hitchens was arguing, nor what I am arguing.

by latch 7y ago

chroma 7y ago

> Second, part of the problem here is that these platforms are a) open and b) can push this content, including to minors. I'd probably be willing to have Youtube and twitter thave _no_ censorship but in exchange the platforms should be be dumb directories and/or not publicly accessible. I'm talking about the Canadian hate speech laws, not YouTube censorship. Companies can refuse to host whatever they want. > Third, hate speech can lead to violence. I feel that this point needs to be balanced against someone's right to listen (is that really a right?). OK, so do you ban the bible or not? Religious texts are the biggest source of hatred of homosexuals, racism, misogyny, and antisemitism. If we don't ban them, then clearly the hate speech laws will only be used to silence unpopular views instead of harmful ones. I strongly encourage you to listen to Hitchens's arguments, because he addresses every point you've brought up except for corporate censorship.

pdkl95 7y ago
> I strongly encourage you to listen to Hitchens's arguments I strongly encourage you to watch this explanation of the problems with Hitchens's free speech argument. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGTDhutW_us https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGTDhutW_us
- chroma 7y ago
  I knew before I clicked on the link that it would be a contrapoints video. I’ve seen it before and let’s just say I don’t find it compelling. It’s your typical youtuber taking clips out of context, misinterpreting them (possibly deliberately) and then spending as long as they want attacking the straw man they just set up. The straw man is evident from the title: “Does the left hate free speech?” That is not what Hitchens was arguing, nor what I am arguing.